Graphene OS has had just about enough of Google not doing more to make Android compatible with custom ROM projects.

TL;DR

  • Efforts like Graphene OS face increasing pressure from apps that refuse to run on non-standard Android.
  • The custom ROM project characterizes Google’s approach to device attestation as incomplete and flawed.
  • Graphene OS is prepared to take legal action if Google won’t let it pass Play Integrity checks.
  • umbrella@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    6 months ago

    yeah. like my manufacturers’ 3-year-old, full-o-spyware ROM is more secure than latest clean installed lineage.

    they just want control, not security. and with banking apps becoming a necessity, i’m starting to be forced to return to stock.

  • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
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    6 months ago

    Even without the custom ROMs, the whole Android ecosystem is a colossal fucking mess.

    I’ve got old apps that won’t work any more. It’s not even compatible with itself.

    People give Windows a load of shit, and deservedly so for some of it, but it’s a million times more usable than Android when you want shit to “just work”.

  • towerful@programming.devEnglish
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    6 months ago

    The only reason I stopped using grapheneOS was because Google contactless payment didn’t work.
    Loved everything else about graphene tho

    • tabular@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 months ago

      I’ve never used contactless on my phone, I already had a contactless debit card. Why are you, and others, using their phones to pay?

      • nevemsenki@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        I can create a virtual card before every trip, use it via my phone and then cancel it after the trip, never worrying if my card got skimmed anywhere for one.

        • steel_nomad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          6 months ago

          For some fucking reason there is zero option for this type of secure virtual card in my country. And I hate it. A friend got skimmed for over $1200 a couple months ago.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 months ago

    I hope some OEM (especially those opposed to google) picks up and develops mainline linux like Pine Phone. There are already several mobile UXs and distros with prebuilt images available as well, and it has been shown multiple times that Android apps can run fairly easily on linux. It would be a big risk, but I think it’d at least find a market success like the Steam Deck.

    Android in its current state is the same as Chromebooks. A glorified walled garden of google’s crappy choices & DRM which just so happens to run on the Linux kernel because it’s free. People downvote me for this, but I maintain that even Dalvik and the android runtime itself is an inefficient relic of 10+ years ago when mobile devices had at most 2gb of ram and a tiny low power ARM processor.

    It runs like complete crap sometimes on modern devices despite huge advancements in the underlying tech. It feels like a knockoff JVM which is already a known memory hog.

    On top of that, it sticks with single kernel releases with proprietary OEM binaries so you have devices out here running on kernels as old as 3.x because no custom ROM will be able to recompile the device modules for a newer kernel.

    It is almost hilarious to me that Moonshell, a multimedia homebrew software for the Nintendo DS (4mb of RAM), has more complete features, file compatibility, and better UI design than at least 95% of the music apps on Google Play. And it was written by literally one guy. I was honestly surprised at just how many music players lacked functionality as basic as supporting m3u playlists.

    • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      6 months ago

      I hope some OEM (especially those opposed to google) picks up and develops mainline linux like Pine Phone.

      Huawei is being forced to do it. But like Android, their HarmonyOS is not 100% open-source. There’s also KaiOS, which some Nokia and Alcatel, and all Jio, devices use.

      even Dalvik and the android runtime itself is an inefficient relic of 10+ years ago when mobile devices had at most 2gb of ram and a tiny low power ARM processor.

      Both the ones I mentioned are designed to be more memory efficient. KaiOS in particular is aimed primarily at feature phones and entry-level smartphones.

  • SpiceDealer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 months ago

    I really hope the GrapheneOS team succeed. Custom ROMs are reason I’m really into tech today. Coding, FOSS, Linux, etc. all that came from rooting my dad’s HTC phone back in the day. Google shouldn’t cannibalize its children.