In summary, from what he said, he just happened to run an unrestricted exit node that some people used to upload CP.
I mean… that is the big issue with things like tor and the decentralized youtube alternative everyone wants.
You either need INCREDIBLY strict moderation, or you actually think it is sane to say things like “he just happened to run an unrestricted exit node that some people used to upload CP”
Tools like tor are INCREDIBLY useful for avoiding government suppression (even if there are quite a few questions regarding how private things actually are and how easy it is to compromise…). But I personally can’t support anything where “Oh well, I guess I accidentally supported the proliferation of CSAM”.
Like, the joke back in the day was always that if you ran an unsecured FTP server, russian porn would magically appear. And I knew a few people in undergrad who did that because of “the lolz”. And then they actually saw what was on their server and pretty much burned those drives and never went back. And while there are theoretical benefits to having public usable drop sites with minimal tracking… I am gonna more than side eye anyone who knowingly does that.
I mean… that is the big issue with things like tor and the decentralized youtube alternative everyone wants.
This is an issue on Lemmy as well, one that very few so far seem to have wisened up to. If you host a server and federate it, your server will pull, store and display the content your users are watching for all to see. So you could be on the hook for distributing illegal material if you don’t preemptively defederate from instances potentially hosting content that is illegal for you to possess.
Yup. Can’t find it any more, but one of the bigger instances apparently defederated from lemmynsfw over that. Not at all surprised since I think I first knew they existed when the admin (?) made that post that could be summed up as “Okay, I know I said we would allow all the loli hentai out there but a bunch of people called me a pedophile so we aren’t doing that anymore”. Didn’t really check back in, but sounds like they continued that boundary pushing and the folk who would have called Chris Hansen noped out already.
And that is really the problem. Moderation is a thankless and incredibly time consuming job to begin with. NSFW content is a multiplier on the time and psychic damage while also meaning you have almost zero chance of monetizing that to justify a second job. So you tend to get the same crowd who are 'free speech absolutists" and don’t really understand what they are getting in to.
It sucks because… porn is awesome. But people are crazy for getting involved with any “decentralized” service where they are storing content they themselves did not actively curate.
I mean you could say the same thing about any entity hosting public wifi, but I doubt the local cafe owner has to worry when someone breaks the law on their guest network.
This feels really inconsistent is the main problem.
I mean, they do. DMCA “requests” go to the ISP and the customer and that is just as easily a starbucks as it is a residential home.
And I speak from (my niece’s) experience: Cops have no problems walking up to the counter in the middle of lunch, forcing their way past all the customers, and very loudly telling the pimply faced teenager that they need to speak with the manager about a child porn investigation. I was not privy to the actual discussions but… they lost a lot of business that day and, when I go back to visit family, I still hear that coffee shop referred to as “the pedophile place”.
This is WHY any sane public wifi is behind a captive portal and likely has a LOT of security and spyware running in the background.
But I personally can’t support anything where “Oh well, I guess I accidentally supported the proliferation of CSAM”.
Does this mean you’re opposed to, say, roads, because they can be used to transport child porn? How about postal services—they’ll even pick it up and deliver it wherever you want!
I mean… that is the big issue with things like tor and the decentralized youtube alternative everyone wants.
You either need INCREDIBLY strict moderation, or you actually think it is sane to say things like “he just happened to run an unrestricted exit node that some people used to upload CP”
Tools like tor are INCREDIBLY useful for avoiding government suppression (even if there are quite a few questions regarding how private things actually are and how easy it is to compromise…). But I personally can’t support anything where “Oh well, I guess I accidentally supported the proliferation of CSAM”.
Like, the joke back in the day was always that if you ran an unsecured FTP server, russian porn would magically appear. And I knew a few people in undergrad who did that because of “the lolz”. And then they actually saw what was on their server and pretty much burned those drives and never went back. And while there are theoretical benefits to having public usable drop sites with minimal tracking… I am gonna more than side eye anyone who knowingly does that.
This is an issue on Lemmy as well, one that very few so far seem to have wisened up to. If you host a server and federate it, your server will pull, store and display the content your users are watching for all to see. So you could be on the hook for distributing illegal material if you don’t preemptively defederate from instances potentially hosting content that is illegal for you to possess.
Yup. Can’t find it any more, but one of the bigger instances apparently defederated from lemmynsfw over that. Not at all surprised since I think I first knew they existed when the admin (?) made that post that could be summed up as “Okay, I know I said we would allow all the loli hentai out there but a bunch of people called me a pedophile so we aren’t doing that anymore”. Didn’t really check back in, but sounds like they continued that boundary pushing and the folk who would have called Chris Hansen noped out already.
And that is really the problem. Moderation is a thankless and incredibly time consuming job to begin with. NSFW content is a multiplier on the time and psychic damage while also meaning you have almost zero chance of monetizing that to justify a second job. So you tend to get the same crowd who are 'free speech absolutists" and don’t really understand what they are getting in to.
It sucks because… porn is awesome. But people are crazy for getting involved with any “decentralized” service where they are storing content they themselves did not actively curate.
This is it: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/418317
This is it: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1204784
I mean you could say the same thing about any entity hosting public wifi, but I doubt the local cafe owner has to worry when someone breaks the law on their guest network.
This feels really inconsistent is the main problem.
I mean, they do. DMCA “requests” go to the ISP and the customer and that is just as easily a starbucks as it is a residential home.
And I speak from (my niece’s) experience: Cops have no problems walking up to the counter in the middle of lunch, forcing their way past all the customers, and very loudly telling the pimply faced teenager that they need to speak with the manager about a child porn investigation. I was not privy to the actual discussions but… they lost a lot of business that day and, when I go back to visit family, I still hear that coffee shop referred to as “the pedophile place”.
This is WHY any sane public wifi is behind a captive portal and likely has a LOT of security and spyware running in the background.
dude is innocent man.
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I mean he’s not. He did literally allow CP to be uploaded. And he literally wasn’t legally protected.
But it’s kind of like arresting the gas station owner for allowing a drug deal in his parking lot.
Kind of crazy how unsympathetic people are being towards Tor and Tor operators here
Does this mean you’re opposed to, say, roads, because they can be used to transport child porn? How about postal services—they’ll even pick it up and deliver it wherever you want!