Fun fact: you can be against (big) employers skewing the market by getting away with abusing migrant workers without blaming the workers for fleeing even worse conditions.
In general, immigration (yes, including mass immigration)is a huge cultural and economic boon to any country with proper infrastructure to handle the transition. The problem is that corrupt politicians are negligent in enabling that infrastructure AND letting unscrupulous corporations get away with semi-slavery, not that the exploited workers are in the country in the first place.
“In general, immigration (yes, including mass immigration)is a huge cultural and economic boon to any country with proper infrastructure to handle the transition.” - that’s not what’s happening in like europe right now, it’s even getting worse, but i guess some ppl will continue to try to meme this into reality. and let’s not talk about draining other countries of it’s workforce, something that’s conveniently gets ignored everytime a topic like that pops up.
Hej granne! I’m in Denmark and couldn’t agree more if I tried.
When I see an American mentioning our countries, it’s almost always either
A) someone on the left who’s done their research about social safety nets and wants the US to emulate our successes or
B) someone on the right who’s heard in the far right “news” echochamber that we live in communist dystopias overrun with hordes of barbaric Muslims, Africans and African Muslims pillaging and raping 24/7🤦
Dude, they STILL go on about that one crime gang that the migrants did the Cologne new years thing in 2014, even tho they were here before the migrants.
Every time I say “we need more workers in Germany, we literally have hundreds of thousands of open positions unfilled” I have to hear that shit…
germany has taken in over a million migrants in since 2015, how is it possible that so many jobs are still open? following your logic the unemployment rate must be in the low single digit percent, meanwhile there are talks to foce ppl to work longer …
yes, the unemployment rate is about 5%, this is considered “full employment” because there are always the people who can’t work for whatever reason, and you still have people switching jobs in there as well.
And how is forcing people to work longer not a sign of a severe lack of workers? what makes more sense?:
“we don’t need more people, we need to increase the size of the work force” or “we need more people, we need to increase the size of the work force”?
what part of hundreds of thousands of open positions in every field currently being listed is difficult to understand? this doesn’t even cover the not-officially listed jobs, you even bring points showing the severe need for workers…
The rate is rising again - +62k unemployed in just one month, Germany is on an economically downward spiral right now, closing major industry and losing it to other countries. The unemployment rate of migrants is 15% and rising, btw. The argument that there are so many positions open and Germany needs migrants to fill this position is one that i hear for over 20 years now and yet it never goes away. Also, you can‘t just put random ppl in random jobs because they‘re open right now, it‘s not the GDR anymore. Qualification is a major issue here.
just take a close look at germany and tell me that it’s going to be fine there. denmark is probably not the best example for this since immigration laws got more strict since 2021.
Immigration laws have been getting stricter here ever since former PM Fogh made spin doctors a thing in Danish politics in 2000 and it’s not because it’s necessary.
It’s the same reason why YOU keep insisting that immigration is inherently bad: demagogues and yellow news convincing the already more bigoted and fearful segments of the population that they pose an existential threat when in reality they’re the best solution for many of our problems and also just regular people like us.
it’s not “inherently bad”, but the way and scale it happens right now, is - for everyone involved. you can gaslight yourself as much as you want, blaming “demagogues” and “the yellow press” for the bad image, turn around and use the exact same indiscriminating and shallow approach to portrait it as something intrinsic great without seeing the irony in it. and again, it’s fascinating how ppl like you chose to simply ignore the brain drain for other countries and the continuing social and economic downward spiral there because of it because in your opinion it’s “the best solution for many of our problems and also just regular people like us” [citation needed].
You can be contrarian, project and put words in quotes all you want, doesn’t change that I’m right and you’re slavishly following the default narrative that the rich, the bigots, and the rich bigots are feeding you for their own selfish and often paranoid ends.
You’ve been had and are trying to spread the rot. Just stop.
And yet you‘re just spilling phrases, can‘t argue on your own. You point your finger at me and say that I’m „slavishly following the default narrative (of) the rich“ while you‘re just repeating the same corporate speak that once killed the „occupy“-movement, coined by the 1% to divide the working class for good. Tell me: when you‘re pov aligns with basically all mega corps, political parties, celebrities and mainstream news outlets: who‘s the slave of the rich?
Fun fact: you can be against (big) employers skewing the market by getting away with abusing migrant workers without blaming the workers for fleeing even worse conditions.
In general, immigration (yes, including mass immigration)is a huge cultural and economic boon to any country with proper infrastructure to handle the transition. The problem is that corrupt politicians are negligent in enabling that infrastructure AND letting unscrupulous corporations get away with semi-slavery, not that the exploited workers are in the country in the first place.
“In general, immigration (yes, including mass immigration)is a huge cultural and economic boon to any country with proper infrastructure to handle the transition.” - that’s not what’s happening in like europe right now, it’s even getting worse, but i guess some ppl will continue to try to meme this into reality. and let’s not talk about draining other countries of it’s workforce, something that’s conveniently gets ignored everytime a topic like that pops up.
Do you live in Europe? I’m in Sweden and its both sad and hilarious how much our problems get exaggerated or misunderstood in foreign media
Hej granne! I’m in Denmark and couldn’t agree more if I tried.
When I see an American mentioning our countries, it’s almost always either
A) someone on the left who’s done their research about social safety nets and wants the US to emulate our successes or
B) someone on the right who’s heard in the far right “news” echochamber that we live in communist dystopias overrun with hordes of barbaric Muslims, Africans and African Muslims pillaging and raping 24/7🤦
Never about our great football players! 😤
Dude, they STILL go on about that one crime gang that the migrants did the Cologne new years thing in 2014, even tho they were here before the migrants.
Every time I say “we need more workers in Germany, we literally have hundreds of thousands of open positions unfilled” I have to hear that shit…
germany has taken in over a million migrants in since 2015, how is it possible that so many jobs are still open? following your logic the unemployment rate must be in the low single digit percent, meanwhile there are talks to foce ppl to work longer …
yes, the unemployment rate is about 5%, this is considered “full employment” because there are always the people who can’t work for whatever reason, and you still have people switching jobs in there as well.
And how is forcing people to work longer not a sign of a severe lack of workers? what makes more sense?: “we don’t need more people, we need to increase the size of the work force” or “we need more people, we need to increase the size of the work force”?
what part of hundreds of thousands of open positions in every field currently being listed is difficult to understand? this doesn’t even cover the not-officially listed jobs, you even bring points showing the severe need for workers…
The rate is rising again - +62k unemployed in just one month, Germany is on an economically downward spiral right now, closing major industry and losing it to other countries. The unemployment rate of migrants is 15% and rising, btw. The argument that there are so many positions open and Germany needs migrants to fill this position is one that i hear for over 20 years now and yet it never goes away. Also, you can‘t just put random ppl in random jobs because they‘re open right now, it‘s not the GDR anymore. Qualification is a major issue here.
just take a close look at germany and tell me that it’s going to be fine there. denmark is probably not the best example for this since immigration laws got more strict since 2021.
Immigration laws have been getting stricter here ever since former PM Fogh made spin doctors a thing in Danish politics in 2000 and it’s not because it’s necessary.
It’s the same reason why YOU keep insisting that immigration is inherently bad: demagogues and yellow news convincing the already more bigoted and fearful segments of the population that they pose an existential threat when in reality they’re the best solution for many of our problems and also just regular people like us.
it’s not “inherently bad”, but the way and scale it happens right now, is - for everyone involved. you can gaslight yourself as much as you want, blaming “demagogues” and “the yellow press” for the bad image, turn around and use the exact same indiscriminating and shallow approach to portrait it as something intrinsic great without seeing the irony in it. and again, it’s fascinating how ppl like you chose to simply ignore the brain drain for other countries and the continuing social and economic downward spiral there because of it because in your opinion it’s “the best solution for many of our problems and also just regular people like us” [citation needed].
You can be contrarian, project and put words in quotes all you want, doesn’t change that I’m right and you’re slavishly following the default narrative that the rich, the bigots, and the rich bigots are feeding you for their own selfish and often paranoid ends.
You’ve been had and are trying to spread the rot. Just stop.
And yet you‘re just spilling phrases, can‘t argue on your own. You point your finger at me and say that I’m „slavishly following the default narrative (of) the rich“ while you‘re just repeating the same corporate speak that once killed the „occupy“-movement, coined by the 1% to divide the working class for good. Tell me: when you‘re pov aligns with basically all mega corps, political parties, celebrities and mainstream news outlets: who‘s the slave of the rich?