Socrates bemoaned those young’ns who had the audacity to read their Homer, instead of memorizing it.
Eh, there is sufficient evidence to recommend children and teenagers having limited internet and social media access during their formative years at this point.
The tiktok algorithm of mindless doomscrolling funny little bits all short and digestible for a decaying attention span is just the most egregious example why restrictions should at least be considered.
Apparently there was enough evidence to recommend children and teenagers to have limited access to the radio as well.
You realize that’s still true, right? You’re posting this as some big own as though it’s somehow not harmful to mindlessly consume any form of media to an extreme extent, especially in the learning years.
Somebody been watching too many tik toks?
Somebody been watching too many tik toks
What a ridiculous logical leap.
I’m not saying it isn’t true. I’ve never used TikTok, Instagram, and avoid YouTube shorts. I saw some articles about “TikTok Brain” making their way across the internet yesterday and I wanted to call out the hypocrisy.
How is it hypocrisy if the previous forms of media were also bad for you, Tik-Tok is just more efficient at funneling meaningless drivel down your throat?
Exactly. We’ve also been saying that burning coal was destroying the climate, and then we said CFCs were destroying the ozone, and then we said massive deforestation is ruining the climate…doesn’t make any of them less true just because we’ve said similar beings about less efficient means of destruction.
I think its hypocritical for a generation to consider the baseline media technology at the time of their upbringing to be generally acceptable, only to turn around and declare the next media technology to be unacceptable for their children.
I think that’s generally a good argument, however the rate and level of dopamine hits from TikTok and YouTube Shorts may far surpass that of prior mediums and so actually warrant additional considerations and precautions.
But then, I may just be an old man.
Thanks! I agree with you, I just think that each technological leap up to this point has caused the level of dopamine hits to greatly surpass the prior medium (hence the viral adoption). But young brains seem to accept the new baseline and then the cycle repeats.
When I was growing up I was bombarded with articles from older people telling me how bad video games were for my attention span, how they would increase my proclivity for violence, etc. This did not prevent me from enjoying them immensely, making friends because of them, and eventually leading me to a fun career in computer science.
I suspect that will be the case with each new medium.
It may be hypocritical, but have you considered that all of these forms of entertainment are unhealthy? The only difference is that they get more and more efficient with each generation, causing increasing levels of concern from each generation. That’s indicative of a rising trend
@STUPIDVIPGUY @aCosmicWave I’m trying and eliminating are sources of entertainment from these websites since the saturation of entertainment content is much more than educational ones now.
This is a rather interesting viewpoint and I can’t really find any fault with it.
The media technologies are not comparable, thats where your argument falls apart.
What if I found the type content that my generation absorbed to be a problem as well?
“I’m not saying it’s true I just wanted to imply it’s true to drive
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Tik tok is legitimately rotting their brains though.
I am not disagreeing, I just think that this trend has been happening for thousands of years. The world is getting faster and faster and every generation fears the next leap. The kids always adapt though.
They don’t adapt, though.
The kids always adapt though.
There is a strong survivorship bias in this though. Some kids do adapt, maybe even most, but many still are harmed, and have been by unhealthy exposure to radio, television, videogames, etc. in the past. Social media is even wreaking havoc in the older generations right now.
It’s easy to point at the survivors and the success stories and say see, there is nothing to worry about - but that’s also a bit like pointing at the lifelong smokers who do not get lung cancer as an argument against promoting non-smoking.
Yes, the trend of making more and more mentally disruptive technology has been continuing. Yes, capitalists have managed to make more and more effective attention/brain drains…that’s exactly what we’re saying.
The kids “adapt” in that the world has changed and kids have no choice but to live in the world they grew up in. It doesn’t mean the above things aren’t true. It just means things change, and I dunno about you, but I don’t see things moving in the most positive direction. Angrier people, less and less able to have nuanced discussions, people becoming more entrenched and hostile about their views, more instances of thinking people with differing opinions are “evil…”—that shit is in large part due to social media, not to mention network news (both “advancements” of the exact type were discussing).I mean, shit, look how much radio has changed. From old timey radio broadcasts with the family sitting around the fire hearing tales of Redd McGibbon and Bullet to fuckin Howard stern making strippers do math so people can laugh at them and goddamn Rush Limbaugh. See what we’re saying?
They’re not wrong. Screen time is known to be harmful to children. And radio time may have been as well: hard to say, because kids aren’t listening to that kind of radio anymore. Two things can be true at once: pointing fingers at something that doesn’t apply anymore (when’s the last time you listened to a radio serial?) doesn’t invalidate the harms today.
Here’s what the actual experts say:
Talk radio still rots a lot of brains of all ages. It’s insidious as a lot of folks still have that on in the background while driving to work or cooking etc, as compared to video and TV where you have to look directly at it and think about the message received with your whole brain.
And they were right.
wildly gesturing at everything around
I feel very misunderstood in this thread. I’m not saying they’re wrong. I’m just saying every generation in the history of man has been wildly gesturing at everything around.
Socrates himself was accused of corrupting the youth and executed by forced suicide via poisoning.
You’re correct that it has been overblown in the past. That does not invalidate what is occurring, doubly so since we have scientific proof now.
You are equating “Old man yells at cloud” to “hundreds of nuclear scientists says cloud of radioactive gas is harmful and here are dozens of papers proving it.”
They are not the same thing.
Weren’t they right? I mean, the people wildly gesturing at everything around?
Tiktok is digitial media, the attention span is the issue, not the media format.
I know a few people who admitted to me without me even probing them that they cannot handle watching or listening to a video over 1 minute long.
I am not for censoring Tiktok, however I will never used it since its horrible on privacy and has “back doors” to a powerful and malicious government. And I like videos that are long with good discussion or information.
To be fair as someone who over my life has transitioned from reading, to the internet, to videos, to short form content. it does have an effect on your attention span.
My advice. Do what you will, but never stop reading. Pick up some books.
TikTok conditions you to process media very quickly, id it doesn’t catch you within a few seconds you’re on the next one — that sort of thing then applies access the board and not only when browsing TT
Especially since children are still developing their brains this makes it even more problematic
Just so you know, newspapers used to be pretty terrible in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. They were ripe with exaggerations and sometimes downright lies. The issue with TikTok and social media in general is how easy it is for absolute idiots to spread lies and harmful information to children (and naïve adults).
Here’s an article on the topic from the New York Public Library.
If I sold newspapers, and I heard the radio spreading the news as well, you bet your ass I’m going to slander the shit out of it.
Which is why lots of people believe the storiea abour “War of the Worlds”. Because of newspaper lies.
Counterpoint: They used to be able to memorise the works of Homer.
and now they’re able to memorize all the dances/emotes from a specific influencer/streamer. Almost the same, no?
Counter counterpoint: my generation had enough memory capacity to be able memorize the works of Homer Simpson and to quote him regularly. Children adapt to whatever is relevant at the time of their upbringing.
“TikTok is just like reading a book”
-OP
Meanwhile, parents are on all of these believing every conspiracy theory they see.
They’re all mediums. The content on them can be anything from mindless to informative.It’s all up to who’s curating it. Do you leave it up to the algos and advertisers or actually provide something to your kids? Up to a certain age letting them do whatever on the internet is idiotic like letting them run around a bookshop that carries porn and mein Kampf.
Worth pointing out here is that many of these criticisms all along have been totally on-target. The printing press brought on wars of religion and a multitude of poorly-thought out, often racist/hate-filled screeds along with advances in learning and science. Radio has brought us Father Coughlin and Limbaugh along with democratizing politics the way printed pamphlets couldn’t. I’m sure I don’t have to point out that both TV and the internet have their brain-rotting sides as well.
The fact that something won doesn’t mean it’s better. The fact that it’s better doesn’t mean it doesn’t have serious flaws.
John Philip Sousa had only terrible things to say about… wait for it… player pianos.
I hear he liked to blow his own horn. And I confuse him with Adolphe Sax who nearly died multiple times before inventing the saxophone.
