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    It’s a common mistake among conservatives that they believe everyone is as self-centered and greedy as they are

    I’ve not become more conservative as I age because I’d kill myself before becoming that awful to people around me

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      Not knocking your worthy efforts, but the vast majority of people don’t turn conservative because of ideological reasons, they do it because they want to keep what they acquired over their lives.

      The people don’t become conservative any more because everyone younger than 40 pretty has pretty much gotten the economic middle finger across the board, so people turn radical instead. If I have nothing to lose I don’t feel protective of the status quo.

      But the greedy fucks in charge around the world are so removed from the reality of life they cannot see past their bank account, and would rather concede to fascism to keep things going for a bit longer, than making the needed changes. For the lost generations and the planet itself.

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        What exactly are older people afraid of losing? It’s not like even the farthest left politicians are in favor of doing anything more radical than raising taxes on people who are wealthier than the vast majority of boomers.

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        Being protective of your good fortune at the expense of others is itself part of an ideology, so I don’t see why you felt the need to contradict and condescend. A person who’s not a piece of shit would have no business being a conservative, no matter how privileged they are.

        Now go argue with someone else because I’m getting big reddit energy from you, and it’s making me anxious.

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            And I think you ought to keep your thoughts to yourself, if you have nothing worth contributing besides haughty arrogance and presumption.

            Besides, I did read their whole comment. That’s what I responded to.

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              Let’s please keep this civil. I respectfully disagree, but I have no problem with you voicing your opinion. The issue is your assumption that the person who disagrees with you is a horrible individual, simply because they have a different opinion. I don’t even care who’s right at this point - we can debate an issue without insulting each other. And even if you’re enraged by it, hiding that fact and calmly countering their opinion with logic is far more effective at winning over an audience…

              Edit: Before any accusation of unfair treatment is made, I’d like to clarify that I disapprove of the original comment’s rhetoric as well - there was no good reason to insult conservatives (“greedy [expletive]”) like they did.

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                What the fuck are you even talking about? Conservatives should be systemically and socially deplatformed and disenfranchised.

                My issue with the person I was speaking to was the haughty arrogance they led with, presuming to argue with me about… what? Nothing they said contradicted what I was saying; yet, they come at me like a debatelord?

                And now you have the arrogance to lecture me on the correct take ™? Literally cis white male energy. stfu

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                    I’m genuinely sorry for misgendering you and for bringing race into it. It’s not that people aren’t reacting positively to my critique. I don’t care about that. It’s the other person talking down to me like I’m a fool or a child and he’s in some formal debate that he has to “win.” The last thing I need are other people inserting their opinions into the mix about how I should speak politely to that person when he was being such a cock.

                    And what I meant by “cis white male energy” is people feel the need to tell you their opinion, to the point that multiple people are dogpiling you telling you the same thing, none of which ever addresses the real issue.

                • ℛ𝒶𝓋ℯ𝓃@pawb.social
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                  There wasn’t any “haughty arrogance,” they were just adding on to what you said with their view, and (from my understanding) were attempting to be polite by clarifying how your point still stands. Not everything is an argument…

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                    Not everything is an argument…

                    What the fuck? The irony of you pointing this out to me when the other guy leads with things like ““Not to knock your worthy efforts, but…” like a pretentious debatelord who’s full of himself. I agree that not everything is an argument, which is exactly why I was calling him out.

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                That’s EXACTLY MY POINT. If someone agrees with you, then why lead with something as pretentious and haughty as “Not to knock your worthy efforst, but…”

                Why talk down to someone like that and adopt the tone of a pretentious debatelord when you ultimately agree with the other person?

                I encountered people like that all over reddit, so I recognize them – the type of people who think any conversation is a debate that you must “win.” It’s precisely because he does agree with me that I’m so miffed.

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                  They weren’t being pretentious or haughty. They amended one of your statements because it was a little inaccurate, then agreed that your wider point is correct. Because, yes, “wanting to hold on to what you have earned” is indeed an ideologically driven position

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                    it was a little inaccurate

                    It wasn’t, though. There was nothing I said that needed amending, nor nothing they said that effectively amended. And they weren’t called upon to do so. They could have said the same exact thing without coming off like a prick.