Half my grandparents were in Syria and the other half were fighting against segregation. People like Anne Braden were around and I choose to identify with her America while disowning and shaming scumbags like ICE and those pictured. There are historical Americans that can and should be absolutely shamed and there are ones that did everything in their power to improve the country for all. Neither should be forgotten or minimized for their impact.
wait. they were protesting for segregation?
Yes. Many baby boomers (and their parents) are racist as fuck. Especially in the south.
Imagine how embarrassing it would be to be related to anyone in this picture.
What’s crazy is in my area, most people are Cajun, the Cajuns faced so much discrimination, deportation and even an attempted genocide, and successful assimilation, Cajun French is essentially a dead language. Their Great and great great grandparents were facing discrimination for being accepting of people of color and for not speaking English. Yet due to lack of education of their own history most Cajuns don’t realize they’re perpetuating the very injustices their ancestors went through, hell, there’s a huge population of cajuns that are POC and don’t even realize it!
What’s the argument here? Is it that America has always been that? YES, WE KNOW, WE WANT THAT TO CHANGE.
I DON’T BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE.
Ah yeah, you’re right. Let’s back the faschists together! 🩷
We’re in .ml it’s a Russian psyop
Any evidence?
I think they’re just hoping because if y’all do it for free it gets a little sad.
I pay dues to the org I work with, I don’t think it’s sad at all to want the working classes to finally be liberated, and work towards that goal.
Nah, in this thread no less that 4 users on ML basically said wipe America out, despite millions protesting, despite the systemic issues like vote suppression and first pass the post that allowed them to win you put all of the sins on the general public which is problematic at best.
I’m not saying that America is good, under its current leadership it is absolutely a destabilizing force in the world. But to pass those sins onto the general public is troublesome.
I want you to imagine if people said the same thing about Russia or China or Israel. Do you understand how many innocent people would die for the actions of their government? There would be no nation left because no nation is without guilt.
Racism is imbued in America’s DNA. It’s never easy to root out something so foundational. It takes a real hard look in the mirror and, let’s be honest, when America looks at itself in the mirror it isn’t for self-reflection.
Members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers—themselves desperately afraid of being downsized—are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.
At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking for a strongman to vote for — someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. A scenario like that of Sinclair Lewis’ novel It Can’t Happen Here may then be played out. For once such a strongman takes office, nobody can predict what will happen. In 1932, most of the predictions made about what would happen if Hindenburg named Hitler chancellor were wildly overoptimistic.
One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past 40 years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. The words ‘nigger’ and ‘kike’ will once again be heard in the workplace. All the sadism which the academic left has tried to make unacceptable to its students will come flooding back. All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet.
Achieving our Country by Richard Rorty (1998).
America isn’t alone in its racism, it’s everywhere.
American liberals spent YEARS fighting anyone who suggested racism was still alive in america. But how could it be? They elected a half black man as president?
Nevermind the indiscriminate bombings by said psychopath and the first election of trump. During bidens term, racism was dead again! Somehow!
Until those very same liberals used racism to explain kamala harris’ rejection by the public. Even to this day they won’t attribute racism in explaining ice’s actions. In fact most didn’t care how many people died at ice’s hands until white people got shot in the face.
In summary, americans, and yes american liberals are deeply racist, selfish and uneducated people. Their worldview makes no sense. And they are all unfathomably, profoundly stupid.
Please tell me you’re from a troll farm. Bcz this is a hot take if I’ve ever seen one.
You make me sick. If you find what I said surprising, then what your country is was made for and by you.
Open your eyes and demand better.
No, it’s actually pretty lukewarm to anyone who has been able to engage with critiques of liberalism without jumping into defense mode these past few years.
Yeah, sometimes I think this site is really stupid. Everything is an argument about who is the most left wing pure individual. And then we wonder why the right has taken over this country and we’re closer than ever to a literal christiofascist dictatorship.
The reason is that liberal democracies are dictatorships of capital, where the elites have massive power over who even gets to run as a candidate, what ideas are acceptable and so on. We can’t win in this system because the system is rigged from beginning to end, and even when we do miraculously win we can get our elected officials killed and replaced. Look at what they did to Salvador Allende in Chile.
The game is rigged in such a way where one party can simply be extremely exploitative and violent and the other party can be 99% the same and sometimes win by saying “we’re not THOSE guys”. You need money for campaigns, so you can’t realistically threaten billionaires, and if you do betray them they won’t have any qualms getting rid of you illegally.
It’s not our collective fault, or purity testing, or whatever else, it’s the system working as intended for the people who pull the strings, just look at the people in the Epstein files and notice that both parties engaged in the debauchery, look at how Bernie was betrayed by the DNC, and so on and on.
But hey, if purity testing is not being okay with genocide or invading and bombing people in the global south I’m glad there are leftists who do purity testing.
Right…I’m so glad we are now importing our awful foreign policies at home 🙄
Every time someone says ICE is “unamerican” i have a little aneurism inside
Can they be historically American, but ideologically unfit for what we want America to be and the values many of us hold, and therefore align with the values of change for the better?
I understand the urge, but at what point are we having to pull out so many wires that it’s no longer the same thing? I think America exists beyond that point. Anything worthwhile we build out of this rotten mess will need to be so different that it won’t make much sense to call it by the same name.
ICE is as American as political violence and providing safe refuge for Nazis.
It’s like the donald trump is a russian asset talk,
Because no american could do such heinous things right?
Donald trump is AMERICAN and is a reflection of america. People just can’t come to terms with reality, regardless of how clearly it’s spelled out for them.
He is a Russian Asset though, I would place most of his actions on the heritage foundation but they’ve been warning for years before he took office that he has Russian strings.
Sure it’s not the reason he does everything but he has big enough lips to kiss many asses.
Yes, also it feels like people think “He is a Russian asset” to mean “he will always do what Russia wants and Russia wants to take over the US.”
The goal is destabilizing their primary opponent in the world stage. And Trump and the GOP are doing a stellar job.
BUT WHY IS HE DOING THIS FOR RUSSIA?!?! IS HE A SPY? Why would he “destabilize russias primary opponent”?? Does he have some crazy ulterior motives?
What kind of conspiracy bullshit is this? Is your reality so fractured? You people will do anything to justify your politicians fucking you, and it’s maddening. Heres a thought,
He’s a bad man. Bad people do bad things even when those things include hurting americans. Why would he do this? If you’re still confused as to why, read the first sentence of this paragraph again.
“But it’s so un-american”. Yeah well your “american values” are nonsensical made up bullshit that mean different things to different people.
I’m sick of having to explain things to americans like they are fucking toddlers.
So “asset” just means fucking anything to you people huh?
Yeah, it means he is in a position to act in the interest of the Kremlin because they have leverage on him
I think the Russian asset angle makes sense. The hate Trump has tapped into is All-American, but a lot of his actions seem to advance Russian interests at the expense of traditional American interests
People like you are why america is fucked.
Trumps actions are merely hurting america’s hegemony, and many benefit from this. One of those country, Russia’s interests are in being a global super power, thus competing with america. And america and russia have generally been ideological enemies. It doesn’t take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.
Seriously man, it’s not fucking hard. Why does nobody think he’s a chinese asset? Or a north korean asset? Or a venezuelan asset? Or a myriad of other countries who compete with and strongly dislike america (and growing).
Now you need to wake the fuck up to the fact that this is what america is! You know those concentration camps trump is using? They were built by obama. That genocide in gaza? Cosigned by biden. What is happening now was orchestrated and carefully built by your leaders and countrymen for CENTURIES. It’s also what you have been doing abroad ALL ALONG.
So no trump isn’t a fucking asset, he’s just using the system YOU BUILT to advance his interests, and the interests of stephen miller and those around him. And here is the part that will really blow your goddamned mind. Every one of them ARE AMERICANS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN so shut the FUCK UP about the asset talk already. Why would he not lift sanctions on russia if he was an asset hmmm? Or why bomb and attack one of russias most important and key allies? Actually 2 of russias key allies, in january alone?! During a war? SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD REALLY HURT RUSSIA RIGHT?!?!?!?! If he’s an asset then his actions don’t make a lot of fucking sense now, do they.
Enjoy living in homegrown fascism. You’ve earned it.
Sorry I didn’t realize it was my fault.
The decline of American Hegemony helps China as much as Russia, sure. It likely helps them more as they’re better positioned to take advantage of it. But his Rhetoric towards Russia has warmed up a lot, whereas China not so much.
He asked Russia to hack his opponent, and they did.
He took the word of Putin over his own intelligence.
He’s said he wouldn’t support NATO allies if attacked by Russia if they had contributed enough.
Paul Manafort was his campaign manager.
And the action in Venezuela could be seen as a net positive for Russia. It makes them seem like hypocrites for complaining about Russia attacking Ukraine when they don’t respect sovereignty either. It suggests that maybe the super powers can do as they like in their own backyard, like Russia attacking Ukraine, or China planning to attack Taiwan.
So it doesn’t seem crazy to me. I don’t think it’s a driving factor anymore, as being a rapist isn’t the deal breaker we thought it was, but its possible they had something on him and that it affected policy.
I think it’s crazier to suggest that Trump hasn’t dramatically shifted policy, and its just a continuation of the same general direction as always. In some ways Trump has gone ‘mask off’ while continuing on the same as always, but just taking off the mask is a big change in itself. But beyond that, yes, policy has clearly changed and the US has shifted away from Nato im ways that scare western Europe and are celebrated in Russia. So Trump has stopped pretending the US is acting on behalf of justice when it uses its military to advance it’s interests, but has also changed those interests in significant ways.
And no it’s not like these changes arent being implemented by and supported by Americans in power ($). Some are driven by hate, most of it is just about money though as the billionaires arent rich enough yet. Putin isn’t pulling the strings on Trump, but it seems naive to dismiss it entirely. The hate that enables them is homegrown American hate, but its again naive to suggest Russia wouldn’t try to steer the US into a downward spiral by supporting politicians more aligned with their interests, just as it would be to dismiss the CIA meddling in other countries to support politicians aligned with them.
But am I am sorry for bringing facism to the US. It was not my intention and im pretty disappointed to hear that I did. Sorry guys
I just don’t understand why you only focus on russia. Many people root for the downfall of nato. If this is your level of analysis of the situation, then there’s really not a lot to say.
You deserve your country and president.
