In light of Nexus Mods and Mod DB banning the No Pronouns mod for Starfield, I figured I would look around for alternative sources and collect them in one place for others’ convenience. This seems like a good place to put them.

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    • Ferk@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      But that’s not what you are doing. You don’t need this mod to make the choice that allows you to play the way you want.

      I mean, I have no problem with modding anything anyway (in fact I believe it was wrong for Nexus to remove the mod, the only thing it did is making certain kind of obstinate people go into a silly crusade to defend a silly mod). But this mod is objectively removing options, not adding them.

      • firebreathingbunny@kbin.socialOP
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        1 year ago

        There is no such thing as a choice of personal pronouns. The concept doesn’t exist in biology and English grammar. The so-called feature is a bug.

        • Ferk@kbin.social
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          1 year ago

          This isn’t really biology, it’s 100% English grammar. Biology books are not the ones explaining what’s a “pronoun”. In fact, many languages don’t even have pronouns, and yet their biology books can perfectly be translated.

          English linguistics are constantly evolving. In fact, it would make it a lot more realistic if there were more strange expressions and mannerisms, even outside of pronouns. Battlestar Galactica did add some funny nonsensical expressions like “frak”, “rook”, “frimp”, “pogees” and popular phrases like “so say we all” that added a layer of depth to their futuristic culture, making it a lot more believable.

          I don’t see how this mod really helps with “realism” in linguistics. If anything, it’d be unrealistic to expect no linguistic changes at all in 300 years. The only reason why I think some people are mad that there’s even an option is because they think it’s pandering to a political agenda so they don’t even want to see any freedom be given to the player about that… despite it actually being a totally optional and even totally believable aspect of a future hypothetical culture. Whether you agree with the direction that this hypothetical futuristic culture developed towards or not.

          • firebreathingbunny@kbin.socialOP
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            1 year ago

            It has to do with both. In consensus English grammar, your pronoun is assigned to your per your sex. Billions speak English this way and they will not change because a handful of sexual degenerates tell them to. This is not up for debate.

            • Ferk@kbin.social
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              1 year ago

              That might be a particular consensus in English grammar, but it’s still 100% dependent on what your linguistics are. If, at some point in time, the consensus in English grammar were to assign different pronouns based on age, or what kind of job that person has… then that would still be a linguistic trait, even if you were linking it to a perceived physiological appearance / job position, they’d be doing it because the community in that language wants to do it, not because biology/economics dictates it.

              So, like every consensus, the only thing making it change is for people in that Universe to agree with the change. Something that happens frequently, and has happened already several times across history.

              300 years ago people used the pronoun “thou” for the second person in singular, and “you” was only used as a plural. And a lot of people pushed back against change too, but change did stick with the community, to the point that today everybody uses “you” and “thou” dissappeared.

              It wouldn’t be unrealistic to assume that the same could happen, for example, with “they”, another 300 years in the future.