• Cryptic Fawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    Lol no way; Hamas needs to be wiped out completely. They can never, ever, be trusted and will just do this shit again in the future.

    • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      But Israel is allowed to murder men, women and children and steal homes, land for decades right?

      Hypocrisy at its finest.

      Yeah, what Hamas did is entirely wrong but don’t forget that Israel been oppressing Palestinians for decades.

      • Cryptic Fawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 year ago

        Hypocrisy at its finest.

        Nope. I don’t support Israel doing that either. However, Hamas will never tolerate peace. They will never allow a 2-state compromise; they want Israel completely gone. And Israel is allowed to defend it’s borders. There is no happy ending here for anyone.

        • WhatTrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          The right-wing party in Israel (the party currently in control even after losing multiple elections) will also never support peaceful co-existence. They will never allow a real two state solution where the other state has control over its borders, air, water, import rights, etc. They want Palestine completely gone, and in fact Bibi was just at the UN arguing that Israel already has complete control and ownership over the Palestinian territories. Palestine is allowed to defend against the longest running occupation in history. There is no happy ending here as long as the Israeli boot is on the Palestinian neck.

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              They already have total military control. What does win mean?

              Relocate the population from the Gaza strip to the West Bank?

              Birth control in the water supply, so the population slowly ages out?

              Internment camps for all military aged men?

              • Cryptic Fawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                1 year ago

                It will likely mean leveling Gaza to the ground and telling its residents to find somewhere else to live without giving them support. It won’t be pleasant for anyone.

        • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          The Gaza strip is within Israel’s borders. They hold direct power over whether the people who live there have electricity water and food.

          Israel is not defending itself. They are using hamas attacks as a pretext to commit mass violence on Palestinians.

          • Cryptic Fawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            1 year ago

            Of course Israel is defending itself against a homicidal organization. The fact it’s in Israel’s borders is irrelevant.

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              Its very relevant. Is depriving all 2 and a half million palestinians of food water and electricity self defense? Is bombing palestinian homes an act of self defense? Is depriving palestinians of human rights an act of self defense?

              Self defense is not murdering innocent people. It never is no matter what. They’re using the attack from hamas as a pretext to commit mass acts of violence against innocent Palestinians.

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        1 year ago

        Maybe I’m ignorant, but isn’t hammas a terrorist group? If so fuck them, but keep Palestine alone.

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          Hamas is a response to a repressive Israeli regime. Even if you “wipe out” Hamas, another group will just fill its place.

          It’s not a matter of just getting rid of the “bad guys” and hoping the forces of good win the day… It requires a monumental shift not only in the treatment of the Palestinians, but in the entire political structure of the area. Which is neither happening easily nor quickly. And sadly, there’s not a whole lot we can do to help the situation.

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            The Palestinian people have to see a better option than extremist violence. People will take what they think is their best incentive. If they have no hope, if they feel like they have no representation, then they choose violence. So we have to give the people a better option than Hamas

            • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
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              The Israeli people have to see a better option than extremist violence. Zionists will take what they think is their best incentive. If they have no land, if they feel like they have no representation, then they choose violence. So we have to give the people a better option than Zionism.

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                Sure. What you say is true. Everyone responds to their incentives.

                There is a asymmetry in this scenario though, the Israeli government has 100% military control over the entire country.

                I don’t know the solution to the scenario, but if we keep repeating previous patterns, we’re going to get previous outcomes.

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          I don’t know if you know this but Hamas is controlling the administration of the Gaza Strip. They are a terrorist organisation but also the de facto local government.

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            Ok, but destroying Gaza and killing all the inhabitants is still genocide and a war crime.

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              Hamas really killed themselves with their murders, Israels response will be brutal and long. But they will not kill “everyone” as you say, they are bombing Hamas targets and many of them are located in civilian spots. It will not stop Israel after these terror attacks and everyone knew this beforehand. Israels actions before have been exactly the same.

              Hopefully Hamas will be completely eradicated and the Palestinians will reject these fascist leaders from now on, for betraying their trust and leading their people to even more suffering.

              It is all just tragic and awful.

    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      I mean yeah it’d be great if you could just do that. But how would you? And more importantly, how is the state of Israel proposing to get rid of Hamas? What actions are they taking right now with that aim? They’re bombing palestinians. Just random indiscriminate bombing. How exactly would that eliminate Hamas? Their plan is just to kill as many palestinians as they can, Netanyahu has said himself he plans to “turn Gaza into a desert island” and his defense minister has said “our enemies are human animals”. It’s plain as day what they plan to do.

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          At least you’re honest. I don’t see mass murder of innocent Palestinian men women and children as acceptable as a kind of attack on Hamas. Palestinians have as much right to life as Israelis do, and we should be as outraged at their senseless deaths as we have been about the festival goers.

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      Wipe them away. Fucking monsters.

      Have you seen the videos of abducted children in cages? Hamas must be removed.