Estonia announced that the country may be forced to close its border crossing points with Russia due to increased migration pressures, Estonian Police and Border Guard announced on Feb. 13.

“In recent weeks, Russia has deliberately directed to the Estonian border groups of foreigners lacking the legal right to enter the European Union,” the statement reads. “If these activities continue, we will be forced to close border crossing points to protect national security and public order, as has already been done in Finland due to migration pressure.”

The Estonian government has noted an influx of migrants and asylum seekers from Russia over recent months.

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    10 months ago

    are they being badly treated? forcefully enlisted? killed? their life is the same as before the full-scale invasion, their life is the same as before 2014. so why the heck do they need protection?

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      10 months ago

      are they being badly treated? forcefully enlisted? killed?

      In thousands of cases, yes.

      their life is the same as before the full-scale invasion

      Bullshit. The overbroad sanctions and boycotts as well as acts of the tyrannical Putin government have changed the lives of almost all Russians and foreign residents dramatically for the worse.

      their life is the same as before 2014.

      Again, talking out of your ass.

      so why the heck do they need protection?

      For the same reason as all other refugees: because they’re fleeing violence, oppression and societal collapse.

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        10 months ago

        We had this with Yanukovich. Got rid of him. Maybe instead of fleeing, they should take over their country? The question is rhetorical.

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          10 months ago

          Comparing Yanukovic to Putin is like comparing apples and orchards. Putin is so much more powerful and entrenched that the very notion is ridiculous.

          Here’s a rhetorical question for you: are you arguing in bad faith or are you just an absolute moron?

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            I’m just a Ukrainian living in Kyiv. If I were living in Eastern Ukraine, I would have wished them all dead.

            • purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org
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              10 months ago

              So kill everyone that is fleeing a war? Should Ukrainans fleeing a war be killed as well for not fighting for their country? Or are you just openly racist against Russians, saying all of them are bad and need to be killed.

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              I’m sorry for what you and your country are going through, but it doesn’t mean you know anything about how powerful and entrenched the Russian government is. Clearly.

              If I were living in Eastern Ukraine, I would have wished them all dead.

              The ones LEAVING Russia to AVOID the war? They’ve never done anything against you.

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                10 months ago

                I thank God every day that this Ukrainian has you to educate him on the nuances of Ukrainian/Russian politics.

                • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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                  10 months ago

                  Being Ukrainian doesn’t make it any less wrong to assume that it’s easy to overthrow Putin and demand that refugees should stay in countries that are likely to kill them and/or force them to kill others.

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                    10 months ago

                    Maybe, but your faith that Putin’s power is absolute, that he is immune to being overthrown is just as flawed.

                    Why is his table so long? Why has he done several brutal purges of his personal guard? Why has he installed members of his personal guard to high ranking military posts?

                    These are the actions of a man who looks into a crystal ball and says “wow, getting crushed by a popular uprising is on the menu for me”

                    Recal how few rednecks it takes to storm a capital building. Recall the relative density of rednecks in Russia.

                    I’m glad that you have complete faith that an uprising couldn’t topple Putin’s regime. You should tell Putin, I think he would find incredible comfort in your expert analysis.

                    And you need to understand the how flat your words must fall on the ears of those who literally have participated in such an uprising as you brush off as impossible.

                    I agree with you that harming refugees is bad. That discussion sits in the domain of humanitarian ethics, something that I think we all have the prerequisite knowledge for, assuming we have the capacity for human empathy.

                    On the topic of uprising against a Russian leader, I think you need to accept that your armchair assessment has been informed by a significant amount of propeganda from either side, and that you might not be as much an authority as you might imagine yourself

        • purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org
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          Did Yanukovich kill anyone who critissized his government? How violent and determined to stay in power was Yanyukovich compared to Putin? Also this is clearly a general anti-migrant comment. “Fix the problem in your country instead of fleeing” is a dangerous and hipocritical rethoric. Why don’t you fix it for them if you are more brave then them? Are you fighting in Ukranian war, risking your life being shot at? Or are you at home critisizing someone for not risking their lives enough? There is no reason to force them to fight in a war by not allowing them to enter another country.

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      Do you seriously believe racist propaganda so much to think that Russians are an evil population that willingly goes to war and not because the ruling class is making them fight? How many people do you know that willingly went to fight in a war and get shot at? Even those that believe that some wars are justified almost never actually do this. And have you even heard of sanctions? Let alone experience life in sanctions? This is most ignorant comment here.