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  • Atemu@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    I use scrapped drives for my cold backups, you can make it work.

    Though in case of extreme financial inability, I’d make an exception to the “no backup, no pity” rule ;)

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      9 months ago

      I’m trying to do that; but all of the newer drives i have are being used in machines, while the ones that arent connected to anything are old 80gb ide drives, so they aren’t really practical to backup 1tb of data on.

      For the most part i prevented myself from doing the same mistake again by adding a 1gb swap partition at the beginning of the disk, so it doesn’t immediatly kill the partition if i mess up again.

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        9 months ago

        I’m trying to do that; but all of the newer drives i have are being used in machines, while the ones that arent connected to anything are old 80gb ide drives, so they aren’t really practical to backup 1tb of data on.

        It’s possible to make that work; through discipline and mechanism.

        You’d need like 12 of them but if you’d carve your data into <80GB chunks, you could store every chunk onto a separate scrap drive and thereby back up 1TB of data.

        Individual files >80GB are a bit more tricky but can also be handled by splitting them into parts.

        What such a system requires is rigorous documentation where stuff is; an index. I use git-annex for this purpose which comes with many mechanisms to aid this sort of setup but it’s quite a beast in terms of complexity. You could do every important thing it does manually without unreasonable effort through discipline.

        For the most part i prevented myself from doing the same mistake again by adding a 1gb swap partition at the beginning of the disk, so it doesn’t immediatly kill the partition if i mess up again.

        Another good practice is to attempt any changes on a test model. You’d create a sparse test image (truncate -s 1TB disk.img), mount via loopback and apply the same partition and filesystem layout that your actual disk has. Then you first attempt any changes you plan to do on that loopback device and then verify its filesystems still work.

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          9 months ago

          The problem is that i didn’t mean to write to the hdd, but to a usb stick; i typed the wrong letter out of habit from the old pc.

          As for the hard drives, I’m already trying to do that, for bigger files i just break them up with split. I’m just waiting until i have enough disks to do that.

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            9 months ago

            The problem is that i didn’t mean to write to the hdd, but to a usb stick; i typed the wrong letter out of habit from the old pc.

            For that issue, I recommend never using unstable device names and always using /dev/disk/by-id/.

            As for the hard drives, I’m already trying to do that, for bigger files i just break them up with split. I’m just waiting until i have enough disks to do that.

            I’d highly recommend to start backing up the most important data ASAP rather than waiting to be able to back up all data.

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          9 months ago

          Or mount it in RAID0/whatever the zfs equivalent is.

          The downside over one disk is many have more possible points of failed, taking out the whole array - so ideally another RAID would be best

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            9 months ago

            That would require all of those disks to be connected at once which is a logistical nightmare. It would be hard with modern drives already but also consider that we’re talking IDE drives here; it’s hard enough to connect one of them to a modern system, let alone 12 simultaneously.

            With an Index, you also gain the ability to lose and restore partial data. With a RAID array it’s all or nothing; requiring wasting a bunch of space for being able to restore everything at once. Using an index, you can simply check which data was lost and prepare another copy of that data on a spare drive.

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              9 months ago

              I’m just talking prebuilt solutions here, but how would you use an index’d storage base if the drives weren’t connected? Sounds like that’s an issue regardless