From news, to shitposting, to memes, to more shitposting, Lemmy feels vibrant, active, lighthearted, fun and even powerful. Mastodon feels like a fucking funeral.
Lemmy naturally concentrates unconnected users with similar interests thanks to reddit-style communities. Mastodon follows the Twitter style where you have to find and follow individual users to get their microblog content, and its harder to isolate certain topics or interests except across the entire service via hashtags. Individual users on their own are very uninteresting and bland.
Lemmy has fewer users but they as a whole generate more active content than Mastodon does thanks to community specialization, since the Twitter style posts require some critical mass of users following to generate interesting discussion (something that basically never happens unless you’re already a celebrity)To add to this, on Lemmy I often find myself both agreeing and disagreeing with a user depending on the topic and community. It adds a layer of additional context and nuance to that user. If I was just to follow the user vs. community, however, I may get the impression that the user is not worth following if I happen to run across them on a topic that we have disagreements on.
I’ve had times where i’ll have a negative interaction with someone on lemmy and see them later in another thread and they’re cool again. On Mastodon if you have a single bad experience you’ve probably already blocked each other and that chance to reconcile never comes up again.
So many posts perfectly summarising why I’ve always preferred the reddit format over twitter. On one you follow topics, on the other you follow people. I prefer to hear a wide range of views on one topic rather than one persons views on different topics.
You can follow hashtags on Mastodon. I find this a preferable experience to following individuals.
Even then, Mastodon and similars feel more like a market square with everyone trying to catch others’ attention, even when they’re all talking about a specific topic to “no one in particular”. It’s not as easy to follow a topic there as in a forum-style thread about the topic, like this one.
It’s not nearly the same as following communities or groups, it’s just a collection of posts grouped by tags, as opposed to a space where people discuss or post about a more broad topic. Also Communities and groups typically invite more interaction than simply tagging posts by virtue of being a place people post as opposed to simply being a post tag category.
I should note that there are groups on Mastodon (Not really in Mastodon itself but federated Group actors from other services show up there) though they are less intuitive and thus are usually overlooked by most Mastodon users.
There’s a problem with that on smaller instances.
You can only see hashtags from people your instance already knows (someone follows them). On bigger, well-connected, instances this is not as problematic.
But, no matter the size of the instance, it just shows how even the “hashtag experience” depends on the “following experience”.
The twitter format makes it feel like everyone is speaking from a soap box at all times, and people aren’t their best selves from a soap box.
With how block-heavy everyone is it feels less like a soapbox more like you’re shouting into an empty parking lot.
I always hated the Twitter format, so Mastodon never appealed to me in the first place
Yeah agree, I keep trying it myself but its just weird in its layout. Just recently found this webclient, phanpy, that at least puts the longer posts together in a thread. Game-changer, but I am still not sure why the character limit still exists. Also no sorting options of incoming content or am I missing something? I guess it just doesn’t work that way.
Wow phanpy is amazing! Thanks for sharing!
I am similar. I tolerated the Twitter style user interface but never used it a whole lot and so therefore my mastodon interactions were limited. Since i have been on Lemmy, total game-changer imo. I have thunder as a swipe directly from my home screen and use it quite often.
I believe it’s how the data is structured.
Lemmy is focused on themes and topics, with the “user” not being the focus (you can’t even follow a user on Lemmy).
That’s reversed on Mastodon, with focus on the users you follow, and the topics (hashtags, groups, etc) being optional.
For some people, Lemmy is better, for others, Mastodon or other microblog platform. The fact that both can exist in the same network is magical to me.
I personally would rather follow topics than people. I don’t know or care what the founder of Adobe had for breakfast. I like the idea of community aggregate voting to drive an interesting feed. Maybe Mastodon can do that better than I know because I only gave it a few days… but I was nowhere near what I wanted after a few days where Lemmy was good from day 0.
Except the people who are actually popular on mastodon are shit posting the windows xp USB connection sounds and meowing at each other like feral cats. not the founder of adobe
This is a lie. In nature, cats only meow as kittens and grow out of it with adulthood. Adult meowing exists for the express purpose of communicating with humans. So feral cats, if they be adults, would not meow.
Interesting people don’t post about their breakfast though
The difference is mastadon is how interesting your friends are. Lenny is how interesting the entire lemmy populous is.
The main factor is discoverability.
There are no shortage of creative or funny people on Mastodon, however, Mastodon’s feed algorithm do not allow them to be discovered unless you happen to stumble upon them by happenstance, whereas it is quite easy to be seen on Lemmy by posting good content: it’s rare when I don’t get any upvotes or downvotes on a comment here, and good replies are fairly common, so the interaction quality here is generally higher.
Oh, hey, I loved you in My Name is Earl
“American actress Jaime Presley from North Carolina” is one of my more successful characters, all I had to do was a Southern American accent and people think I’m a completely different person.
Then again, nobody ever expects an actress to be playing the role of another actress.
That show was a masterpiece that literally nobody talks about. They did the impossible of making a flawed cast that wasn’t just full of awful people who the writers desperately try to make you like (often through justifying extremely problematically) Their flaws are a key part of their characters, but don’t define them as a character. It also allows them to organically go back on continuity shifts, because in the real world change isn’t either instant or not at all, it’s a cycle of diminishing relapses and rebounds. The ups and downs make for great content.
i’d like to unify them in one app so one can make the other more discoverable and connected
Microblogging versus content aggregation with comments. Two different things that are technically similar enough to share a protocol.
On Masto, it’s more about being a person saying something into the ether. Lemmy is more about adding content to communities, subscribing to the ones you like, and then talking about it there.
And that’s why Reddit is still winning. It’s the only big social network that does that (aside from Lemmy). All the other big ones are people-centric (or business or whatever). It’s you subscribe to a person. On Reddit and Lemmy you subscribe to a topic.
This 100%>. It’s why Reddit is way more fun than Twitter. Twitter is like yelling into the void and sometimes the void yells back. It’s good for publishers and content creation, bad for real conversation. Reddit supports real threaded conversation with voting to highlight the good parts of the conversation.
The other thing is interest following. Twitter you have to follow people, and a person may be posting on things you have interest in and other things you have no interest in. Reddit you follow subjects, and you see good content regardless of who posts it.
Mastodon and Lemmy are just decentralized Twitter and Reddit.
Yep, two different models of social networking, I personally prefer the Lemmy model.
I find the microblog model to be fairly limiting. It’s good for posting quips, memes, and news, but it’s terrible for having any sort of a meaningful interactions. A forum like Lemmy facilitates much more interesting discussions.
Also awful for creating a community I feel
I very much agree.
Exactly. I often post walls of text, and it is probably because it takes me a lot of words to express ideas in English, but I also feel like I cannot discuss something deeply in whatever number of characters are admitted now on microblogging. Forums and such are great and I love reading long posts and comments. Also, I get lost in who is replying to what on those sites, but here it is literally linear!
For sure, it’s basically impossible to have any serious conversations without threads.
Mastodon is just a bunch of news articles and people talking like robots. I try to engage and there’s fucking nothing I care about. Anything actually interesting is like half a thought. Like they started talking about a topic but didn’t get to the point before they decided to hit post. Posts from popular accounts talk about electoral politics in a weird clipped manner like a newspaper but even more boring.
Most of the instances have a 500 character limit per post, so that’s going to limit conversation. The platform experience is also heavily dependent on the people and hashtags you follow. My Mastodon feed is mostly pictures of wildlife and flowers and shit.
Sounds fun
It’s harder to find the good stuff on Mastodon because you have to follow individuals or novelty accounts.
I think that is the biggest issue with Mastodon and federation in general: Limited discoverability. I’ve spoken to a few artists that still post on Twitter. They won’t join Mastodon, because it is so hard to develop consistent reach.
They don’t have beans on Mastodon.
They do have jeans tho
That is unfortunate.
Lemmy is and will forever remain pants optional.
I still don’t know how to find people with similar interests on mastodon. There may be lots of interesting stuff happening there but how would I know? Plus posting on there feels like shouting into the void since I only have a handful of followers.
Also I don’t want to follow randos who sometimes post about cool things, sometimes post the $50 hamburger they ate, and sometimes post unfiltered rampant misogyny, I want to follow cool ideas and topics directly.
If you’re interested, follow hash tags not people. Well, you can follow people too if you find someone you vibe with. Also following groups can help … until someone forgets what ‘reply all’ means.
There’s a reason that I’m not a Twitter, X or Mastodon user. I’m not that kind of person. I think they should hand out free methadone if you can prove you’re an X user.
Lemmy (and Reddit) is separated into distinct communities too. You can avoid certain areas easily.
The community separation also means it’s easier for a whole group of people to share the same space because you can post about 10 different topics and each other person will only see the specific ones they want by subscribing to just the communities they like, instead of seeing everything from each person they follow. I recognize like a few dozen frequent commenters here myself, and I don’t have to see them post about topics in not interested in because I just don’t go to those other communities, so I just see the overlap we all care about.
