retaliation against a foreign nation conducting genocide against you for 70 years is not only justified and easy to understand, but fucking commendable
A retaliation that results in a predictable extermination is not commendable, it’s stupid. Instead of spending resources on rockets they should’ve spent them on building universities that would help them better understand the situation and possible ways to deal with it effectively.
Oh wait, I’m being stupid. Rockets and terrorism all the way it is! Because it’s easier and you get many internet points for calling it a “retaliation”.
should’ve spent them on building universities that would help them better understand the situation and possible ways to deal with it effectively.
First of all… They already had universities. Secondly, how exactly does “better understanding the situation” fix being held in a mass concentration camp?
Palestinians have tried diplomatic solutions in the past, but you can’t force a nation with more hard power than yours to the negotiation table.
The inherent problem with your argument is it doesn’t account for the disparity of both hard and soft power between the two belligerents.
Problem with yours is what I already pointed out. You applaud people for doing terrorism (aka killing themselves). You refuse their ability to not jump knowingly into a bear trap with their both legs.
have tried diplomatic solutions in the past
Either they didn’t try hard enough or they could find non-diplomatic solutions. Better ones than doing terrorism (aka killing themselves).
If you accept someone saying the only way out of their situation was doing terrorism (aka killing themselves) then you are not a smart human being.
Problem with yours is what I already pointed out. You applaud people for doing terrorism (aka killing themselves).
This is the first time I’ve talked to you?
You refuse their ability to not jump knowingly into a bear trap with their both legs.
So you are blaming the the collective punishment on those receiving the collective punishment?
If Hamas killing women and children is wrong, is Israeli killing several times more not?
Either they didn’t try hard enough or they could find non-diplomatic solutions. Better ones than doing terrorism (aka killing themselves).
Kinda sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about… It takes two willing parties to negotiate. And in these negotiations Israel has always had more power, thus more responsibility to make peace.
If you accept someone saying the only way out of their situation was doing terrorism (aka killing themselves) then you are not a smart human being.
If you think labeling someone a terrorist changes the actual material conditions that causes this war… Then you aren’t a smart human being.
So you are blaming the the collective punishment on those receiving the collective punishment?
I blame people who did unnecessary stupid things that they knew would cause them to suffer even more. They are not smart. If they were smart they wouldn’t do it that way.
If Hamas killing women and children is wrong, is Israeli killing several times more not?
It’s wrong but they did not start this aggression without reason, and they know they are not suicidal.
It takes two willing parties to negotiate
Sigh. How else should I put it? Don’t do diplomacy if you think you are smart (hamas clearly aren’t) and already tried everything. Do terrorism. But please do it in a way that would actually benefit your cause. In a way that would not make them start another ground operation. I dunno, maybe try to not take hostages and not stream your murders for once? Or maybe release the hostages and surrender god damn it (it should even be possible to keep your lives by surrendering to a 3rd party instead). That would at least send a message to the world and maybe even save a lot of Palestinians.
blame people who did unnecessary stupid things that they knew would cause them to suffer even more. They are not smart. If they were smart they wouldn’t do it that way.
A simple yes would suffice. So you think those thousands of women and children were part of the decision to attack Israel?
It’s wrong but they did not start this aggression without reason, and they know they are not suicidal.
Ahh yes, because this conflict is devoid of any historical conflict… Please look up how many Palestinian civilians have been killed by military actions vs Israeli in the last 20 years and come back to me.
Sigh. How else should I put it? Don’t do diplomacy if you think you are smart (hamas clearly aren’t) and already tried everything. Do terrorism. But please do it in a way that would actually benefit your cause. In a way that would not make them start another ground operation. I dunno, maybe try to not take hostages and not stream your murders for once? Or maybe release the hostages and surrender god damn it (it should even be possible to keep your lives by surrendering to a 3rd party instead). That would at least send a message to the world and maybe even save a lot of Palestinians.
Quite the shifting goal post you have there… They’re have already been several attempts by whatever is left over of Hamas to surrender/cease fire. Most Israelis already want a ceasefire, but Netanyahu has already said that the war will not end until all of Hamas is destroyed.
This is because Netanyahu’s administration is way behind in the polls since the attack, because he moves defense forces away from vulnerable border points, allowing the attack to penetrate deep into Israel.
He is still under criminal investigation and very well may go to jail if he loses his next election. While the war goes on he has the ability to halt the vote from taking place due to emergency powers.
I didn’t do that here. They are just idiots.
You’ve called them terrorists the whole time…
You’re either playing the fool or are just foolish, either way I don’t think we have much else to talk about. I don’t like to associate myself with people who defend war crimes like collective punishment.
So you think those thousands of women and children were part of the decision to attack Israel?
No, it’s somewhat irrelevant. I’m not saying it’s okay to bomb those people.
Please look up how many Palestinian civilians have been killed by military actions vs Israeli
What do you expect exactly? That I would say “oh so Israel lost much less people in the October 7 attack than Palestinians in XX years, so it should just do nothing”? History doesn’t matter when it’s about specific decisions with predictable consequences, and the fact that those could be avoided in the first place. Don’t cut the branch you are sitting on.
They’re have already been several attempts by whatever is left over of Hamas to surrender/cease fire
How difficult it is to release hostages and surrender? I think just one attempt would suffice. Is it difficult because some of them refuse to agree that this is the simplest and fastest way to try to save Palestinians and show everyone they can work on their mistakes?
You’ve called them terrorists the whole time
My primary complain is their stupidity. They are people. They can learn. Maybe they will stop being terrorists if they do that, I can’t know. But they surely aren’t helping their fellow Palestinians as is.
No, it’s somewhat irrelevant. I’m not saying it’s okay to bomb those people
You’ve already blamed them and called them all terrorists…
What do you expect exactly? That I would say “oh so Israel lost much less people in the October 7 attack than Palestinians in XX years, so it should just do nothing”?
No, I would hope that you would apply the history of the region to gain greater context over the Oct 7th attack, it didn’t occur in a vacuum.
History doesn’t matter when it’s about specific decisions with predictable consequences, and the fact that those could be avoided in the first place.
Again, these people are in a giant concentration camp. It would be like blaming the Warsaw uprising for the destruction of the polish Jews.
How difficult it is to release hostages and surrender? I think just one attempt would suffice. Is it difficult because some of them refuse to agree that this is the simplest and fastest way to try to save Palestinians and show everyone they can work on their mistakes?
Because Israel has already stated they won’t negotiate for the hostage release, they don’t want the hostages. They want a genocide. Have you not been reading the news about this subject like at all?
primary complain is their stupidity. They are people. They can learn. Maybe they will stop being terrorists if they do that, I can’t know. But they surely aren’t helping their fellow Palestinians as is.
You are a fucking idiot. Hamas only had around 10-15k active members in their military, a significant number of those were killed on Oct 7th or in the following counter attacks.
The reason why the Israeli military has overwhelmingly killed primarily women and children is because Hamas is already destroyed. There are a few cells left in hiding, but the organization has no control over the Palestinian population.
You’re nothing but a psuedo intellectual bigot tripping over clumsy arguments to support war criminals. Go kick rocks.
You’ve already blamed them and called them all terrorists…
I did not call women and children that, you’re lying or imagining things.
it didn’t occur in a vacuum.
It wasn’t effective and they knew it wouldn’t be.
Again, these people are in a giant concentration camp.
You can’t escape or shut down a concentration camp like that. That’s my point.
Because Israel has already stated they won’t negotiate for the hostage release, they don’t want the hostages.
Funny. If that’s true (and I know it isn’t) then there is no use in keeping hostages anymore. Release them and let the world see how Israel doesn’t want to stop even after that. Also stop wasting resources on them. Win-win.
There are a few cells left in hiding, but the organization has no control over the Palestinian population.
Who keeps those hostages then?
to support war criminals
No. What they are doing is war crimes and all criminals should be prosecuted. Israeli are much more likely to meet that simply because they are a part of a system that can take care of their citizens. And if not, I hope at least enough people will remember that for the sake of future generations (similar to how Americans remember what they did to Japan). On the other hand, hamas has no chance to get any such treatment (simply because they are not fans of proper justice-related systems) and it should be rightfully hated by all Palestinians for their actions and decisions. Unless hamas suddenly gets smarter and starts to care about Palestinians. That would surprise me, and in a positive way.
A retaliation that results in a predictable extermination is not commendable, it’s stupid. Instead of spending resources on rockets they should’ve spent them on building universities that would help them better understand the situation and possible ways to deal with it effectively.
Oh wait, I’m being stupid. Rockets and terrorism all the way it is! Because it’s easier and you get many internet points for calling it a “retaliation”.
First of all… They already had universities. Secondly, how exactly does “better understanding the situation” fix being held in a mass concentration camp?
Palestinians have tried diplomatic solutions in the past, but you can’t force a nation with more hard power than yours to the negotiation table.
The inherent problem with your argument is it doesn’t account for the disparity of both hard and soft power between the two belligerents.
Problem with yours is what I already pointed out. You applaud people for doing terrorism (aka killing themselves). You refuse their ability to not jump knowingly into a bear trap with their both legs.
Either they didn’t try hard enough or they could find non-diplomatic solutions. Better ones than doing terrorism (aka killing themselves).
If you accept someone saying the only way out of their situation was doing terrorism (aka killing themselves) then you are not a smart human being.
This is the first time I’ve talked to you?
So you are blaming the the collective punishment on those receiving the collective punishment?
If Hamas killing women and children is wrong, is Israeli killing several times more not?
Kinda sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about… It takes two willing parties to negotiate. And in these negotiations Israel has always had more power, thus more responsibility to make peace.
If you think labeling someone a terrorist changes the actual material conditions that causes this war… Then you aren’t a smart human being.
I blame people who did unnecessary stupid things that they knew would cause them to suffer even more. They are not smart. If they were smart they wouldn’t do it that way.
It’s wrong but they did not start this aggression without reason, and they know they are not suicidal.
Sigh. How else should I put it? Don’t do diplomacy if you think you are smart (hamas clearly aren’t) and already tried everything. Do terrorism. But please do it in a way that would actually benefit your cause. In a way that would not make them start another ground operation. I dunno, maybe try to not take hostages and not stream your murders for once? Or maybe release the hostages and surrender god damn it (it should even be possible to keep your lives by surrendering to a 3rd party instead). That would at least send a message to the world and maybe even save a lot of Palestinians.
I didn’t do that here. They are just idiots.
A simple yes would suffice. So you think those thousands of women and children were part of the decision to attack Israel?
Ahh yes, because this conflict is devoid of any historical conflict… Please look up how many Palestinian civilians have been killed by military actions vs Israeli in the last 20 years and come back to me.
Quite the shifting goal post you have there… They’re have already been several attempts by whatever is left over of Hamas to surrender/cease fire. Most Israelis already want a ceasefire, but Netanyahu has already said that the war will not end until all of Hamas is destroyed.
This is because Netanyahu’s administration is way behind in the polls since the attack, because he moves defense forces away from vulnerable border points, allowing the attack to penetrate deep into Israel.
He is still under criminal investigation and very well may go to jail if he loses his next election. While the war goes on he has the ability to halt the vote from taking place due to emergency powers.
You’ve called them terrorists the whole time…
You’re either playing the fool or are just foolish, either way I don’t think we have much else to talk about. I don’t like to associate myself with people who defend war crimes like collective punishment.
No, it’s somewhat irrelevant. I’m not saying it’s okay to bomb those people.
What do you expect exactly? That I would say “oh so Israel lost much less people in the October 7 attack than Palestinians in XX years, so it should just do nothing”? History doesn’t matter when it’s about specific decisions with predictable consequences, and the fact that those could be avoided in the first place. Don’t cut the branch you are sitting on.
How difficult it is to release hostages and surrender? I think just one attempt would suffice. Is it difficult because some of them refuse to agree that this is the simplest and fastest way to try to save Palestinians and show everyone they can work on their mistakes?
My primary complain is their stupidity. They are people. They can learn. Maybe they will stop being terrorists if they do that, I can’t know. But they surely aren’t helping their fellow Palestinians as is.
You’ve already blamed them and called them all terrorists…
No, I would hope that you would apply the history of the region to gain greater context over the Oct 7th attack, it didn’t occur in a vacuum.
Again, these people are in a giant concentration camp. It would be like blaming the Warsaw uprising for the destruction of the polish Jews.
Because Israel has already stated they won’t negotiate for the hostage release, they don’t want the hostages. They want a genocide. Have you not been reading the news about this subject like at all?
You are a fucking idiot. Hamas only had around 10-15k active members in their military, a significant number of those were killed on Oct 7th or in the following counter attacks.
The reason why the Israeli military has overwhelmingly killed primarily women and children is because Hamas is already destroyed. There are a few cells left in hiding, but the organization has no control over the Palestinian population.
You’re nothing but a psuedo intellectual bigot tripping over clumsy arguments to support war criminals. Go kick rocks.
I did not call women and children that, you’re lying or imagining things.
It wasn’t effective and they knew it wouldn’t be.
You can’t escape or shut down a concentration camp like that. That’s my point.
Funny. If that’s true (and I know it isn’t) then there is no use in keeping hostages anymore. Release them and let the world see how Israel doesn’t want to stop even after that. Also stop wasting resources on them. Win-win.
Who keeps those hostages then?
No. What they are doing is war crimes and all criminals should be prosecuted. Israeli are much more likely to meet that simply because they are a part of a system that can take care of their citizens. And if not, I hope at least enough people will remember that for the sake of future generations (similar to how Americans remember what they did to Japan). On the other hand, hamas has no chance to get any such treatment (simply because they are not fans of proper justice-related systems) and it should be rightfully hated by all Palestinians for their actions and decisions. Unless hamas suddenly gets smarter and starts to care about Palestinians. That would surprise me, and in a positive way.