• N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 months ago

    Sometimes, I think Cointellpro figured out that you don’t need to insert provocateurs to talk about terrorist shit. Just put one nerd in the chat to challenge a subgroup’s purity, and every leftist movement will collapse into infighting and dissolve.

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    3 months ago

    If you think Trump is the reason for fascism, and not the other way around, you need to seriously reevaluate where you draw your conclusions from.

    Fascism is Capitalism in decay. Trump is a symptom of a greater problem you cannot vote away. Voting for Harris isn’t an anti-fascist vote.

    Secondly, claiming genocide is merely an issue surrounding “ideological purity” and not, you know, genocide, is monstrous.

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      Voting Harris is the only remotely ethical vote. Stop looking at the world in black and white. The proletariat revolution will never happen. Start thinking about grassroots harm reduction locally and vote for the lesser of two evils federally.

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        Voting Harris is the only remotely ethical vote

        Voting for Harris is one of the most unethical votes you can make, along with Trump. A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide, failed climate action, world war 3, and continued Imperialism.

        Stop looking at the world in black and white

        I don’t, can you explain?

        The proletariat revolution will never happen

        Of course it will, it’s already happened in many places and continues to be fought. It will inevitably come to the US, if the world isn’t ended by its warmongering or failed climate action, that is. Disparity continues to rise and Capitalism continues to decay, that’s like saying continuing to heat up water will never bring it to a boil.

        Start thinking about grassroots harm reduction locally and vote for the lesser of two evils federally.

        Gotcha, we should join Socialist and Communist orgs like PSL and FRSO, and vote for Claudia De La Crúz in the federal, or Jill Stein if she isn’t counted in your state.

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      3 months ago

      Nononono, you don’t get it, it’s the adult thing to hold your nose and vote for the polite fascist. That way we get to go back to grilling and not caring how we actively make the world worse

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        Yep. In 20 years, if leftists have managed to save the world, the libs of today will look back on themselves with shame.

        The DNC and GOP are aligned on failed Climate Action, genocide, Imperialism, and are working towards World War 3. The answer cannot be with the Dems, and our time is running out.

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      No one said that Trump is the reason for fascism. I personally blame Obama for changing nothing when he had the presidency though I’m sure there are lot of other liberal failures that have lead to the rise of fascism. We should still do anything to stop the fascists from winning power.

      I don’t love the BS narrivate around purity tests. Everyone has lines that once crossed we are not willing to tolerate. The bottom line is there is no viable candidate for president that supports ending Israeli genocide. However if you care about Palestinians at all you should vote for the lesser of two evils. It’s the least anyone can do.

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          So don’t vote? Vote for west or stein, giving trump the presidency?

          I think vote for Harris, because a trump reelection may well be the end of democracy. If the democrats win big, they may be able to push through legislation that enshrines abortion rights, subsidizes childcare. Hell, a blue wave with a mandate might give Harris the backing to give Netanyahu the what for. If the left proves they’ll actually show up and vote, they’ll start to be listened to more. If they stay home, America will move right, further than it is

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        No one said that Trump is the reason for fascism

        The post did, they said Trump was the existential threat, and not the Capitalist decay that caused him to win.

        I personally blame Obama for changing nothing when he had the presidency though I’m sure there are lot of other liberal failures that have lead to the rise of fascism

        Great Man Theory is wrong. Obama was again, a symptom of Capitalism, the Bourgeoisie needed a Neoliberal warmonger and got one.

        We should still do anything to stop the fascists from winning power.

        Correct, we need to join revolutionary orgs like PSL and FRSO and end support for enablers of fascism like the DNC and GOP.

        I don’t love the BS narrivate around purity tests

        I don’t either, liberals need to stop pretending they are anti-fascist by continuing to enable fascism.

        Everyone has lines that once crossed we are not willing to tolerate.

        Genocide is a major one for me.

        The bottom line is there is no viable candidate for president that supports ending Israeli genocide.

        Sounds like it’s your moral responsibility to get organized with anti-genocide parties.

        However if you care about Palestinians at all you should vote for the lesser of two evils. It’s the least anyone can do.

        There isn’t a lesser evil when it comes to the genocide of Palestinians among the DNC and GOP, both are completely in lock-step and want to expand it to a regional war. Walz even supports the “Greater Israel” project.