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  • this whole debate comes down to a definition of when a fertilised egg becomes a live human

    Why? People dont usually abort things that are dead and if it’s not human then there’s no need for an abortion. I reject the false equivalency objection that somehow a human embryo is not “human” the same way I reject that a toddler is somehow less human than an adult.

    This “live human” stipulation is a pilpul fabrication meant to inject moral ambiguity. This allows abortion to be morally justified as an acceptable practice at least up until some arbitrary stage of development (even though it’s clear that pregnancy, barring complication, means a baby is on the way.)

    You will never get consensus on your “live human” criteria. That is by design.

    I posit instead that the crux of this debate comes down to the sanctity of life and personal responsibility. Calling me cruel for “denying care” is odd considering I’m arguing to prevent the termination of healthy pregnancies conceived with full consent and knowledge of the man and woman involved. A pregnancy isn’t a “risk ending badly” it’s a blessing and a responsibility (for both woman AND man).

    To break it down simply – babies come from sex. More specifically they come from the product of sucessful egg-sperm fertilization (e.g. the early stage embryo and fetuses that are aborted by the millions each year) This occurs in the womb which is naturally equipped for this process. It’s pretty clear what is going on.

    Determining termination based on some level of cognizance is an arbitrary standard and frankly one that opens the door for other judgements that are only limited by imagination, rhetoric and charisma.

    At what point does this evolve into screening fetuses, altering genomes and treating early human development like some science experiment. Aldous Huxley, a eugenicist, explores this future in his novel Brave New World.


  • “Stage-of-development” is a flawed argument because it presupposes that some qualifications must be met before an embryo or fetus reaches a status of personhoood when in reality the "clump of cells " has all the genetic instructions it requires to proceed through all stages of development at conception. Entertaining the idea that it somehow matters less because it is smaller, less developed, dependent on the mother etc is the pilpul I was talking about. If it wasn’t a human then an abortion wouldn’t be necessary because a dog, bird or fish embryo would die immediately.

    It is not like contraception (e.g. a condom). A gamete on it’s own will never develop into a human under any circumstances.

    There can also be devastating psychological fallout from not getting an abortion, which would be why many people believe it should be a choice that the people involved get to make about themselves, rather than forcing it on them.

    We are talking about people (man and woman) who decide to have sex and don’t want to deal with the logical, predictable outcome. No one is forcing them to do anything. They have created this situation for themselves. It’s that simple. The rest is just mental gymnastics for them not taking responsibility for their actions.

    The only intellectually and morally honest argument for abortion is “I don’t care”.


  • Abortion should be legal in all cases

    Respectfully I disagree. If one grants that abortion should be legal for rape/incest/LOTM (~1%) then it comes down to the other 99% which is what both sides actually care about. At this point the conversation shifts to personal liberty, bodily autonomy, stage-of-development or, in the case of Roe v. Wade, privacy. While there is some clever pilpul regarding ethics and/or the “dilemma” an unexpected pregnancy creates, in the overwhelming majority of cases the abortion decision comes down to convenience. Convenience meaning the prevention of struggle. Having to alter ones life or career to acommodate the needs of a(nother) child. It’s no secret that sex causes pregnancy however many people feel they shouldnt have to deal with the consequences (women AND men). Human life is the most precious thing on earth which means it needs to be treated with the utmost care from conception to repose.

    Abortion creates a culture of death. Assisted suicides would almost certainly not be a thing if abortion wasn’t normalized first. It’s no surprise that abortion traces its modern roots to the eugenics movement.

    Furthermore something that is rarely discussed is the psychological fallout from abortion. It can be devastating for both women and men.



  • Failure to change with the times and to learn from scientific advancements and social improvements is a conservative trait.

    Literally lolled at this. This post is in response to a “far right” Elon Musk who owns the first company to ever fire a rocket into space, retrieve and reuse it. I’m sure he’s just taking credit for all the bleeding heart liberal geniuses working under him.

    Is not changing your opinions with time and new info a respectable way to live your life?

    🥱 Wow way to load your rebuttal to make yourself seem so erudite and above it all. The reality is that a ton of the “new info” turns out to be proven false or even to be outright lies. The reality is that you should be incredibly suspicious of “new info” because chances are it hasn’t been properly vetted and could be driven by an agenda similar to how companies fund research to prove their desired conclusions.


  • you’re massively misunderstanding the whole political spectrum but i don’t have the energy

    I understand that politics is multi-faceted however the chart I responded to is 2D.

    maybe we should give this whole “having black people freely move around” a second thought, what do you think?

    Because that’s what I’m saying 🙄 Calling someone a racist or a nazi for not hating all of human history is a low-tier cop out but go ahead and take your upvotes.

    liberals are not and have never been left wing

    Remember I responded to a meme chart

    Also for every inch the democrats have moved to the left, republicans have moved a mile to the right

    Literally just an opinion.