I’m with you ‘brother’, albeit one year behind. Let us tell tales of effective protest and civilian action!

I was so hoping that was toasty the toaster! Waffles? How about a bagel?

Pot kettle black. Also a monstrous gobshite. He was bad enough just as an annoying business owner, now we have to put up with so much more.

Welcome to politics, there’s all sorts going on that we know nothing about that will influence who says what about whom, when and why. Hypocrisy is irrelevant to these people. He’s just influencing.

Alas I can’t find any news reports in the UK stating hundreds of thousands, that’s a really significant number of people for the UK, rather tens of thousands. Last year saw 300,000 pro Palestine protesters head to London, but it appears to be an over-‘estimation’ for this protest. Great to see people still going out in the UK though.

Paper chains around the room!

Alien in 1979…

I spend too much time at my pc or driving so get lower back pain. I recently found this workout that’s really good. It’s challenging but really works well! I sometimes have to ease back a little, especially on the last part, but it still helps.

Apologies, I can’t remember how/where to get alternative YT links.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4BOTvaRaDjI&si=4FUa7oy5yxuktPVQ

It amazes me that no-one ever seems to say (not that I have seen, at least)…Isreal is a western, democratic state with nuclear weapons in the middle east.

It’s basically a major power base for the west in the predominantly arab part of the world.

Anything else is a side arguement as far as I’m concerned.

I certainly agree that a fact simply is, noting your lack of belief, however communication is only possible through description so I suspect some somantics here. My point was that within an arguement, opinions can be extrapolated from known facts to suggest unkown/unproven facts, if only so to the individuals involved. Essentially this is that basis of any argument - to exchange ideas/possibilities etc to reach the ultimate goal of determining what is a fact.

Though, as you say, many discussions and arguments, especially in a casual scenario, are taken as exercises in ‘winning’ rather than with the aforementioned aim. I agree this is frustrating and understand your stance.

Re respect. If you respect a person (your approach being much the same as my own), does that not preculde that you respect what they say?, at least in most instances, even if they are mistaken or incorrect? Though I think there may be two points here, one re emotional beliefs & one re fact-based beliefs. The latter being more what I’ve been refering to. Emotional beliefs are much closer to pure opinion than facts.

I don’t think in terms of respect about something like this as this leans towards some kind of snobbery or predudice. Either I agree or don’t. Regardless of any perceived level of knowledge or intelligence behind an argument, I’ll respond as a point of advancing shared knowledge rather than trying to ‘win’.

Unfortunately there are many subjects where all the facts aren’t known, therefore opinions must be discussed to advance the understanding and ultimately help to establish future facts. Also, one person’s believed facts may be a misunderstanding, for example, hence why discussions and arguments may happen.

As such, there is (nearly) always a point to it!

I see your threes and raise you fourteens! Snapped this just yesterday:)

It’s one more than ten, so yeah, it’s better.