… Ok, fair. 11,000 years was the wrong cut-off date. 12 - 13,000 years would have illustrated my point better.

Not even anywhere near that long. There have been humans for probably more than 200,000 years. Probably more. It gets confusing when you go back that far. But our written history only accounts for maybe 10,000 of those years. So 5% of total human history, if we take the minimum estimate of what it takes for us to be human. We have no evidence to support the fact that human advancement even lasts as long as written history. I mean, shit… the Romans had central heating and cement, and then they died out and we forgot how to do those things for 1,000 years. Our knowledge, and the acquisition of same is not exactly linear. Lots of fits and starts over the course of the various human civilizations that have occurred.

What happened 11,000 years ago? I mean, we’ve got some pottery fragments. Other than that, ???

Depends on your definition of “long-term”. The biggest accomplishments of Man have been acknowledged for maybe 10,000 years at the very extreme limits. 10,000 years is not even a drop in the bucket of geological or celestial time. So it very much depends on your perspective.

'Cause I’m drunk on a Thursday (Friday very early in the morning), and I’ve lost control of my life.

MLA format would be something like this:

Maneuver, The Picard. The Delusion. Picard, 2023.

Then, in your paper, to reference it, just write “(Maneuver 2023)”.

… Or you could just read a history book that wasn’t written by a Mao fanboi.

I love this book! I first read it, I don’t know, maybe 20 years ago, back when Pargrin (he went by David Wong then) posted one chapter of it at a time on his website. A few years after he got it published, Don Coscarelli (director; does mostly indie movies including the “Phantasm” series) read the book, flipped out about it, and decided to buy the rights to the story and make it into a movie. It’s a pretty great adaptation, too! I’d rate it as mostly faithful to the source material. It’s got Paul Giamatti, Clancy Brown, and Doug Jones in it.

Anyway, if you like JDATE, you should check out Coscarelli’s movie of the same name. And also read the rest of the books in the series (book 4 was published about a year ago). And if you like the movie, you should also check out another Coscarelli classic, “Bubba Ho-Tep”, starring Bruce Campbell as Elvis.

My bad! Another classic. Mel Brooks just does not miss.

Is it fair to say that Mel Brooks movies are uncommon now? Have they gotten old enough that people today are generally ignorant of them? If so, “Blazing Saddles”, “History of the World: Part 1”, “Young Frankenstein”, and “Spaceballs” are incredibly worthy of a watch.

Except there were rumors for a long time that Michael Jackson sexually abused Macaulay Culkin at the Neverland Ranch. Granted, Macaulay has repeatedly denied those rumors, but still. If it were anybody else in the pose of Michael Jackson, the joke wouldn’t work as well.

You literally aren’t reading a word I’m saying.

I’ve read everything you wrote. It’s all profoundly stupid. You’re trying to pretend that the phrase “assigned male at birth” means something it doesn’t mean. You can look it up yourself, you know; you don’t have to take my word for it. We live in an age of extreme information availability. So it’s frustrating for me when you ignore all available evidence and cling to your stupid fantasy.

Again with you guys it all comes back to “you’re denying our existence!!” when literally no one is denying your existence.

2 things: I’m not trans. Also, this entire comment chain started by you pretending that people were being banned because they pointed out that biological sex exists. When I pointed out that that was stupid and crazy and incongruous with reality, you doubled down. So how else am I to interpret your stance other than you love sticking your fingers in your ears, sticking your tongue out, saying “LALALA”, and pretending that gender identity isn’t separate thing from biological sex?

I’m sure you don’t even see how dumb this argument you just made is. “I’m telling you what it means, therefor that’s what it means even if what I’m telling you is wrong” lol.

I wasn’t arguing with you in the same way that telling a schizophrenic that there are no demons around him isn’t arguing. It’s pointing out reality to a crazy person. If you’re too dumb to look it up yourself, or too ideologically blind to believe the evidence you find, then it’s not an argument. It’s simply a person with way too much patience trying desperately to get you acquainted with reality.

Apart from all those who are.

Ok. I’ll bite. I’m sure you’ll have no problem linking me to any mainstream arguments that biological sex doesn’t exist since you believe it to be so prevalent. I’m happy to read any evidence you provide.

Debatable still. The current use of gender is as a feeling, whereas previously it was intrinsically 1:1 linked to sex. This is what people are talking about when they say “gender ideology” and how they disagree with it. You think gender is simply a feeling. I don’t.

It’s not, though. Because on my side is practically the entire weight of the scientific community, and on your side is bigots and crackpots. Refer to my previous paragraph about why that’s not a debate.

Tell me you don’t know how vaginas work without telling me that you don’t know how vaginas work.

It can’t be observed and assigned at the same time. No one is assigned a sex.

So, your big argument against the existence of trans people is semantics? Really? I’m telling you what assigned means when people say “assigned male/female at birth”. I didn’t make up the term. It’s one that is in common parlance. You’re so smugly wrapped up in nits to pick that you’re missing the forest for the trees.

The terms “AMAB” and “AFAB” were literally made to deny that biological sex exists lol

No. Incorrect. And stupid, and crazy. Nobody is denying that biological sex exists. I have no idea why you insist on pretending that they are.

Seriously, are you so insecure that you have to make up things to feel persecuted about? How pathetic are you?

They literally mean “the doctor chose that I am a male or a female despite what I actually am”

Again, biological sex and gender are two completely different things. Most of the time, they’re related, but not always. Which is why someone with XY chromosomes and a penis who is assigned male at birth can have the gender identity of female. It happens. Denying that is denying reality. Of course, you seem to want to choose to invent some fantasy world and then get offended when reality doesn’t match it, so I’m not sure why I’m even taking the time of day to explain this shit to you. It’s not even going to make it through your thick skull.

Aww now you’re getting upset and reverting to name calling lol. Definitely shows that you’re winning the argument.

If describing you accurately is “name calling”, then yes. I’m name calling. You’re a snowflake. A stupid, crazy, immature snowflake. You can choose to not be one any time you’d like, but you seem to enjoy being one, so I’m not sure why you’d act all surprised when people call you out for it. Probably ties back to that whole persecution complex you’ve got. Poor little innocent victim. Aww.

Also lol like clockwork with the intersex argument. Intersex people are a literal genetic deformity. They make up an insanely low fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percentage of the population.

Did I ever claim that they weren’t? Why is it that you’re ok with the idea that some intersex people exist while denying that some trans people exist? Is it because you can’t see the differences with your eyes? Are you really so stupid that you believe that if you can’t see it, it doesn’t exist? Do you also believe that dyslexia doesn’t exist?

The point is, we are insanely complicated organisms. Within the human spectrum exist vast amounts of variation. Some people are born intersex. Some people are born trans. Some people are born straight. Your stubborn refusal to see that says way more about you than it does about humanity.

I mean, I’m a fuckin’ weirdo who loves both heat and humidity. So I’m not really the target audience for that particular argument. But I get that I’m a weirdo, and most people don’t like living in the desert or a swamp. Personally, I’m much more turned off by their politics than I am their weather.

Gotta go with what works for you. But as a fellow cishet middle-aged white engineer, you could not pay me enough money for me to want to move to Texas. Or Florida. Or most of the middle of the country. If I were in your shoes, I’d be out as soon as I had the means to leave.

You know, it’s often hard to tell with guys like you whether you’re trolling, or actually genuinely stupid. Of course I took the boosters. I’m not a moron.

So, out of curiosity, do you ever look at the reactions of normal people to your idiocy and think: “Gee… maybe I’m wrong about this thing that I’m completely fucking devoted to?”

Yes it absolutely does. No amount of calling it a straw man will change this.

Ok, so delusional enough to believe your own hyperbole, then. Got it. Straight up crazy with a persecution complex.

No one is “assigned” a sex at birth, it’s observed.

Yes. Biological sex is observed, and then written on the birth certificate. Or in other words, “assigned”. Also, there are occasions when someone is born intersex, and the doctor chooses. Well documented cases of this happening.

Try throwing gaslighting out there next too, that usually goes hand in hand with straw man.

Well, sorry if my using the terms accurately offends you, snowflake. But if you’re gonna say crazy, irrelevant shit, and then pretend that it’s neither crazy nor irrelevant, you kind of have to live with the consequences of people calling you a gaslighter. Comes with the territory.

And how did you come to that conclusion?

These days saying “biological sex exists” gets you banned on Reddit

No it doesn’t. That is another absurd reduction. Are you intentionally lying, or do you actually believe your own hyperbole?

Nobody, and I do mean nobody, would dispute that “biological sex exists”. That is a ridiculous straw man. What all of the people who are educated on the topic will say is that biological sex and gender are two different things. What bigots and morons hear is “Hurr durr biological sex doesn’t exist”.