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Cake day: September 8th, 2023

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  • (I am contemplating whether your are just trolling me and I should stop participating in this debate. But lets assume you really did not understood my point.)

    1. You typed in google something like “EU failing privacy/democracy/freedom” and posted top results. And all those cases are real, but are cherry picked. Therefore I responded with a classical argument about why smoking is “not bad for your health”. https://www.logicalfallacies.org/anecdotal.html
    2. Your results did not include any actual indexes or aggregation of the data.

    Please check this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices especially “list of scores by country” where you also have some historic entries.

    To help you with some conclusions:

    1. EU countries are by far most free and private. Yes of course with their own issues but still way better than any other country.
    2. China is awful regarding this topic.

    So why I had a problem with your response: I strongly believe you already knew the above two facts. You just decided to ignore them and presented me with some problems eu has so you can win the argument. So… I do not like you tried to “win argument” with a logical fallacy which is counterproductive for the debate. And when we just throw random arguments so opposing point of view comes out as bad, everyone comes out a little more radical in their view and noone changes their opinion. And I spent some time writing those comments (not with research but by forming thoughts and sentences in my second language). By turning the debate to this “Facebook like arguing” you destroyed my effort to participate in this community.

    Also in response to your latest accusation: I specifically told you I have a healthy relationship with freedom, and “they hate us for our freedom” does not belong in this category.










  • About defending capitalism (and not billionaires - who more often than not abuse this system). Some of us lived in other systems. And we understand any other system is way way way way worse.

    There are however a lot of problems with capitalism and should be held on a very short leash. Or else monopoly happens. The most effective actions to keep capitalism at bay: strong anti-trust laws, strong worker protection (this includes a lot of stuff), wealth tax.

    And be aware there are many flavours of calitalism. Most commonly people in USA are the most extreme where you have really “long leash”. And people see such capitalism as failing and want to replace whole system.





    1. Optimistic person. And if saying “this idea might just work” encourages people you love to try things, then it also helps people you love.
    2. We could debate on what “overly” means. If you believe you will win the lottery this is just stupid and naive, but if you believe you can start a profitable restaurant this is not overly optimistic. Still you must not be stupid when trying.
    3. This is debatable. This statement is very broad.
    4. Correct if you are realistic and not pessimistic. My hot take should be formed: “People who claim are realists are most often just pessimists, who will pass all ideas as bad”. Actually to continue from here we should exactly define all the words we are using. And in this case it would not be a hot take anymore. Also I believe to decide to try and take interview you must feel optimistic about it instead of pessimistic.

    My hot take is targeting “realists” who say: “Your idea is bad. Do not pursue it. I am just being realistic.” Even though their idea has maybe small but fair chance of succeeding. This is just discouragement - which is more often seen in pessimists.

    Actually at this point I do not even know enough about words and definitions to continue.

    I think we should actively try to encourage each other to act, also by believing in others ideas (still do not believe in winning the lottery).