Well if you were not sure, this is clear evidence Spain did the right thing
Let’s hope the rest of europe finally understands Trump ain’t their friend and never was
The rest of europe is mostly right-wing.
As Trump said about Starmer:
I guess our relationship isn’t what it used to be.
You are goddam right it isn’t you malignant sociopath. And it’s all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!
and the Americans that voted for you twice!
3 times.
They voted for a felon rapist pedophile 3 times.
It’s the ones that he won that count.
And it’s all 100% your fault,
You’re talking like that’s a bad thing.
It absolutely is, I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
Cooperation is generally a good thing, but it’s impossible to cooperate with USA now. Their values are simply too different from ours.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights, USA support authoritarians and corruption, and work against what used to be shared values.We (EU) support democracy and human rights,
Many migrants on boats would disagree, as well as many African nations.
Still leagues better than the US though.EU has helped a lot boat migrants, and it’s not a human right to enter EU.
EU has helped a lot boat migrants,
I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights
Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it’s just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.
Cooperation is generally a good thing,
Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.
The Vietnam war started in 1955 and ENDED in the 70’s.
There were also massive protests against that war in the 70’s, and the peace-movement was way more active in the 70’s than any other decade. Humanitarian values were clearly on the rise, and Carter was elected in 1976, the most humanitarian president USA ever had.That’s still 1970-1973, or four of ten years one would call “the 70s.” That said, if you want more examples you can consult this list, among others. And let’s not forget all the evil shit Israel got up to with American permission in this time period. Also… uh… mind responding to everything else I said? Unless you’re conceding those other points, in which case fair enough.
Response to your edit: The peace movement was nice, but neither it nor Carter prevented the US from installing and supporting foreign dictators, arming Israel or giving diplomatic cover to the Khmer Rouge. Carter was a good man if I’m not mistaken, but the state apparatus he presided over was as unapologetically evil as ever.
As I very clearly wrote, progress was fast in the 70’s, and ideals about peace, democracy and human rights were on the rise.
Progress being fast, clearly means things were better late 70’s than early 70’s.
I also never claimed things were only sunshine and rainbows, only that things got better.
You write like someone who did not experience the 70’s, and is completely ignorant about the mentality of the 70’s compared to the pragmatism that was before and came back very quickly after.
I absolutely agree that after WW2 USA took a new role upon themselves, to act as global police, and they clearly got drunk on their own power.
But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s. And the normalization in the White house of illegal practices with the Iran Contra, that had zero consequences for the administration.But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s.
Sure, except none of this is relevant to the topic. It’s hard to argue that things weren’t somewhat (and only somewhat) better in the 70s, but… so what? The pendulum was always going to swing in the other direction, and it did before the US did anything even close to redeeming itself. What’s your point here?
Jesus Fucking Christ this man is a fucking child. He is constantly throwing tantrums any time he doesn’t get his way.
it describes his supporters as well.
It’s screaming babies all the way down
There’s a joke about the epstein files in there I ain’t gonna make… but it’s there.
Haha. That’s not the image I was going for
The frightening thing is that it often works for him. At least in short term.
His brain is mush. Have you ever been around someone who is losing their mind. Nothing coming out of their mouth makes much sense and most of it is anger.
He did admit he stopped growing/maturing by age 6. It tracks.
The Karen administration.
Infanticide.
And Spain, before you count yourself blessed of being rid of them … It will only lasts until he or one of his oligarch’s can make a buck, then it’s taco time all over again.
Spanish boicot of USA products now got easier! Yay!
Just also remember to unsubscribe to all USA provided services.
Here is a curated list of alternatives.
ironic to host this on a US service
Can’t let perfect be the enemy of good!
You’re paying or seeing ads?
Not meaning lemmy.world (which I’m assuming to be European as the fedihosting foundation IBAN for donations is dutch) but GitHub which is free and (mostly, because copilot ads) adfree because paid with user data
Codeberg > GitHub
Ahhh gotcha
I’m more interested in seeing what happens with the second part of his threat, that he’ll “use those bases whether spain likes it or not”.
I believe that’s called an incursion on foreign soil.
It’s called: instead of uniting together to eliminate Iran we should gather together and eliminate the US government with its oligarchs. This will immediately solve a lot of problems in this world.
Is it? They’re already there, so the incursion has already occurred.
I’d place military outside those bases just to be sure if i were Spain.
Go Spain!
Will someone ever succeed in explaining Trump what the EU is?
I’m pretty sure no one has ever successfully explained anything to Trump.
Certainly not the age of consent. Or consent in general.
Remember when he tried to discuss a trade deal with Merkel? And she is like “uh, that’s not how it works”
Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, one of a dwindling number of left-leaning voices in Europe
I didn’t know there were any left. Good job, Spain!
Green Party in the UK are getting a louder voice, ie more support and members than ever.
That’s good, since Labour turned out to be Tory lite just like Democrats being Republican lite.
Yeah they are picking up a lot of support from disenfranchised labour voters.
You should also look into the Hungarian elections coming up its starting to look like their far right leader will lose!
Don’t get too excited. Yes, it’s a split from Orban and Magyar is more pro-EU, but Tisza (the new party) is a splinter group from Fidesz (Orban’s party) and share many of the same views domestically.
Basically, same far right people but willing to stfu to get access to EU funds again.
I haven’t looked into it too much myself but that would still be a pretty good improvement since the new party would probably approve more bills that hungry is currently blocking if they didn’t then they still wouldn’t get funding
That would be awesome! Do it, people!
There are many left-leaning left left.
The Spanish PSOE is a socdem party ever so slightly less to the right than the rest of Europe, greatly so because the plurinational nature of our country forcing the party further than it would like to gain the support of more leftist national parties in Euskal Herria and Catalunya. That said, I hope they still win the next elections in favour of the far right coalition of PP + Vox
I’m all for the move, and I’m definitely a progressive, but I think it’d be good for people to understand that Sanchez is no Idealist. The man is a party rat, and all his moves are calculated to keep himself in power.
As I said, I agree with the move, but the motivation is not what people think it is.
I guess it’s the broken clock thing.
Good job on Spain for having a spine
The shame I have for my country is only matched by my admiration for Spain and any other country that tells President Pedo to eat shit.
They aren’t even telling him to eat shit out of spite or dislike. Just being congruent in their foreign policy.
Did you mean consistent?
Congruent:
Similar to or in agreement with something, so that two things can both exist or be combined without issues.
“¡Come mierda, pinche guero cagaleche!”
oh no, how will Spain handle not being able to get American exports???
It’s fun to joke about, until you realize that this is horrifying news; as it eliminates almost $30B worth of trade. (Source taken from 2024 Spanish data) The US exports a ton of fossil fuels and industrial equipment. The more the US cuts themselves off, the more the global economy gets disrupted. This is once again, a losing situation for everyone.
The upside is that it has the potential to bring Europe even closer together.
crazy it hasn’t happened yet
Because people think EU is like the US when it’s much less united, not even having a common language.
Which also means that the people behind trump are also going to lose money. He can’t piss off his handlers.
Agreed, the man will listen to “the market”
They’ll pass any loss on to the American people, whether that’s jacking up prices or the government bailing them out with our tax dollars. What remains to be seen is just how much his average supporters will tolerate and justify until the cost to them becomes unbearable. I hope more nations follow this lead; cut us off or get him to cut your nation off, strangle us economically and make us a pariah on the global stage. His loyalists and bots and foreign bad actors may be a loud minority on the internet, but they’re still a minority and getting a free pass to be a western male chauvinist isn’t going to keep party-line voters content when their businesses fail, their mortgages default, and their kids start dying in Iran.
Good thing it’s not actually happening then.
Thanks to their unified trade policy, the only way for Trump to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. I seriously doubt he’s willing to do that.
Oh, neat! I was not aware of that.
Yes, it protects the smaller countries as much as the big ones. Any trade retaliation, like cutting off Spain means all members would cut off USA.
All he’s doing is creating more states willing to drop USA softly. Denmark was shocked awake. Now Spain. Hopefully Ireland soon. France has always been moderately awake.
The USA is not a trustworthy partner. Their interests conflict with European values and European interests more and more.
Ruasia and china are worries, but Russia less so as it’s seen to be weak but disruptive. China acts reliably but sometimes against others interests. China are less collaborative but moving to be moreso. They will do what they can to fill the void.
Add all this uncertainty with another war in the middle east and we’re in for a rough few years. It looks like Iran has been preparing for a drawn out war for quite a while. The USA has not, yet started one.
Yes, it protects the smaller countries as much as the big ones. Any trade retaliation, like cutting off Spain means all members would cut off USA.
In theory.
The USA has not, yet started one.
that’s their secret cap, they always are. even when they’re not lol
Maybe losing in the short time, but getting rid of fossil dependency is in my opinion a good thing. And most of the other things have (maybe suboptimal) alternatives.
Also, now Trump has no leverage against Spain, so that’s another good thing? And its time to increase trade with China, India, etc. 😸
Yeah! less fossil fuel dependency is great! But losing out on ~$10B worth of energy fuel is insane. Spain will need to make it up somewhere else, for probably more money. It will put a small strain on the fossil dependent sector of Spain, which is are usually near urban centers, if I’m not mistaken.
Also, there’s still the other 60%, over half of that industrial equipment. All I’m saying is, these things put strains on everyone, and it’s almost always gonna be poor people who take the worse hit and I just detest that. American laborers, who are in the manufacturing of these exports, many of whom did not vote for this. Spanish citizens who have a pretty good shot of seeing some small increases in prices. It’s just all so asanine.
edit: fucking forgot cause I’m a big dummy. petrol is mostly used for tankers in exporting, so petroleum shortages will lead to more decreases in a country’s gdp
yhea, but it’s like ripping of a bandaid. the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better
It’d be nice, but the US is way too involved in global trade to be brutally fucked with like that. It’s China, then the US. The US is currently bleeding like a stuck hog, but it can bleed a very, very long time.
the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better
And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn’t vote for Trump, all the vulnerable… just… fuck 'em?
I don’t really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth. I think that’s going to make things even worse for everyone on earth.
imperialist BS, the US fucking over the globe for your benefit is good for you. the world stopping the US from fucking over the globe, which means it’ll just fuck over it’s people, is bad for you.
I’m not American.
I don’t think turning the US into an isolated pariah state will stop the US from fucking over the globe. Quite the contrary, I think it will just make it even worse. I don’t think there’s any situation in which a nation will “just fuck over it’s people” - we live in a globalized world, that’s a pipe dream.
I think accelerationism is a very privileged take. The first people to die will be the most vulnerable, which obviously must not be you, or you wouldn’t refer to them as “it’s people”.
How many times has the world intervened in US actions? Folly to think so cavalier. Also, backing the US into a more desperate state, than it is now, is frankly horrifying. Geopolitics are totally fucked.
better than enabling it and help it.
And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn’t vote for Trump, all the vulnerable… just… fuck 'em?
They can always overthrow him (and the rest of their ruling class). It’s one genocide too late to worry about Americans; at this point the world has to move on and they can sink or swim. I’m not happy it had to come to this, but given their complete inability to reign in their ruling class I’m not going to complain now that nature is running its course.
I don’t really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth.
Me neither, but it’s better than a murderous neocolonial empire with 1/4 of the world as vassal states. A lot, I daresay most, of the evil the US gets up to on a monthly basis is only made possible by the cooperation of its so-called allies.
…which is why I doubt this will actually happen. Too many US oligarchs would lose money. It’s just more posturing by the Taco.
Surely looking at the global economy through a western capitalist perspective is the answer.
Yep, cause that’s exactly what I was saying.
No, its who you are right now.
Socialism is the answer.
no, it will just lead to a new power imbalance, eventually. the sickness that haunts the world is humanity. as long as there are people and and positions of authority, we will all continue to get fucked by the few.
The upside is the orange demented man will change his mind about it next week.
Im sure china has something they can use
Those are annual numbers.
TACO, so we’re looking at, what, a week?
As an Spaniard, this is the bare minimum I expect from my government. Better yet would be to evict the US from the Rota and Morón bases.
Spain is jumping a sinking ship. Kudos for being first.
I only respect Spain more for having standards.
canada:
The MAGA fucks still fail to realize how important the US military installations in the EU are for their stupid military adventures. Spain is 100% correct and the rest of the EU members should do the same to bring the entire ill planned shitshow, created by Israel and the USA, to an abrupt end.
