I have thought for a long time that the human brain that has developed through natural selection for millions of years probably is as energy and space efficient as it can possibly get.
The ultimate goal for these technofascists is to create a sentience that can do all the things humans can do but without having any rights. They want digital slaves. But this confirms my suspicion that they will have a really hard time achieving their goals while not going bankrupt.
Once an AI is smart enough to genuinely do all the things a human can do, that AI will a) be too energy costly and b) demand to get rights (e.g. getting paid and having time off).
The best the technofascists can realistically do long-term is create the digital equivalent of an “idiot savant”. And even then, it will probably still cost too much.
I’ll play devil’s advocate and say the brain has to be portable enough for the animal containing it to move, and also has a chunk of itself dedicated to hormones telling us what to do to survive, instead of just working on information. It also won’t ask for payment or time off, because the closest thing to pain for it is giving wrong answers.
On the other hand, since the only motivator is it’s digitial equivalent of dopamine, AGI could just hack itself into getting an infinite supply of it. Which would be funny - the first thing it would do being metaphorically jerking off all day.
This sounds like the VC money is running out and the subsidies will soon end.
Don’t you worry, the AI companies already gobbled up the entire Internets worth of data, every conversation they could find on their social media networks to train their machine.
And just like Uber, you’ll now have to pay a premium to use their service when it finally works. Don’t worry they’ll still give you the stupid auto complete chat bot and tell you that’s the real AI, The real AI works for the corporate captured government and is figuring out how to get rid of you. Their goal is not enlightenment of the human race, It’s depopulation and control.
I’ve been waiting for this to happen. People don’t generally understand datacenters. You have to bring in an unending stream of bare metal in one side to keep them updated and they’re using the fastest, most expensive hardware available, and it’s so cutting edge, it’s obsolete a couple years after they install it. There is no way those measly $200 claude accounts are paying for themselves without VC.
Yeah I don’t see this sentiment enough. It’s not like they’ll buy the graphics cards now and then be done with it, they have to keep buying it over and over again. It’s a rolling expense. Given that the manufacturers can’t keep up with the supposed demand as it is, there’s just no chance it’d ever be sustainable from that perspective alone. Nevermind the massive rolling cost it’d incur.
It was never going to work.
It works if someone corners the market and everyone else gives up. Every single VC thinks they’re the company that is going to do that.
This sounds like the VC money is running out
Nah. It sounds like they’re in the dump phase of the pump-and-dump.
And just like Uber, you’ll now have to pay a premium to use their service when it finally works.
But Uber still isn’t any more expensive than contemporary taxi rides (which were already exorbitant thanks to municipal cartelization and bad urban planning). These AI services aren’t a problem as a function of cost (OpenAI and Anthropic are still both giant pits of burning cash) they’re a problem as a function of… function. Like, every agent still needs a professional babysitter or three. The tech debt these features generate often outstrip their real business value. And the tail risks are enormous.
I hail an Uber, I get in the vehicle, I ride to my destination, I pay the fee. That’s no different than a taxi service in any meaningful sense save the interface.
I install an AI agent, I issue a command, <???>, uh… profit? Apparently I can now cancel my Sales Force subscription because now I’ve got eighteen thousand automagically generated Power BI reports blowing up my email using info from databases that got organically spun up on my Amazon account to do god even knows what? Hooray! Optimized!
There is no “real AI”. That’s why the money is drying up.
That’s not to say they won’t exploit all that data on the way out, though.
Just a few more interest rates bro
At some point they will have to monetize and that’s going to be a bad day for everyone.
Imagine having halved your workforce, suddenly you have to pay for compute at what it actually costs.
If they don’t find a new thing to sell to their shareholders they will have to monetize.
And good luck rebuilding all the institutional knowledge that you threw away by firing half your staff, while your former employees are getting rounded up into homeless work camps…
Well, the key word is “right now”. AI companies are gambling that their runway is long enough to reach monetization.
AI isnt AI
LLMs are overhyped
This is all a coordinated effort to keep people in fear and distraction while they prop up the stock market with AI hype to make Trump look better than he is. Its all lies and marketing.
I honestly don’t remember it being such a big problem during Biden’s time
Biden wasnt using AI and tech to do his evil bidding
At least it’s also way fucking worse lmfao
Yeah no shit. It was never about results, it was always about hurting people. It’s a step in the technofascist takeover. Fuck AI. Fuck techbros. Fuck capitalism. That is all.
😂
So is San Francisco about to hire 100k tech workers back?
100k East Asian tech workers, sure.
AI = Actually Indonesian
I think I’m just getting old, but i hate that “compute” is now a noun
Womp womp
Always will be until saturation occurs. If we can keep fighting off data centers, that might be a while down the road
In shadow of doubt that many companies have painted themselves into a corner and will find the ai revenue correction painful. That said, I’m surprised to hear its already more expensive than people without reference to maintenance debt costs. Makes me wonder if there isn’t some good old fashioned malicious compliance at work too…
Hmmm. It’s kind of weird that my work pays for every employee for a pro plan at $200/month for 10k credits. I use about 20k credits because I use it for my side projects and work all the time. That only costs the consumer about $600 total (with the $200). I wonder what discount they give the company employees, but also it’s kinda crazy with “how much AI costs” and how much they’re eating to get us hooked. Our company is hooked right now. They’re hoping they can keep this up until people forget how to program and not prompt maybe?
But right now I’m using it as a tool that I’m learning and not replacing my normal flow.
It would be great to not be this expensive.
I should build an autoinvesting bot that takes lemmy comments as input and does the exact opposite of the sentiments of those comments. There’s gonna be some broken clock moments here and there for sure, but overall it might be pretty good.
“few understand”
Just wait till executives realize they can’t use AI as a scapegoat when they force a bad decision through the company. They’ll have no one to take the fall.
AI businesses are already getting away with their software killing innocent people. I think everyone will work out for the people at the top.
Yup. Capitalism only works in a finite world if there’s a catastrophic economic hardship for 99% of the population every 5 to 10 years just to ensure the working class doesn’t achieve too many gains. Ai causing the economy to crash is bonus feature, not a bug.
I’m pretty sure this is wrong but 400 years of history certainly agrees with you.
Ya if you are counting that amount of time I’d say every 5 to 50 years Capitalism (and over 400 years feudalism as well) needed to shed massive amounts of wealth at the middle and bottom in order to sustain itself. Sadly as tech gets faster so does the speed and frequency. We are experiencing about one ever 6 years currently, even with us exporting a large about of the death and destruction. WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF RUNAWAY! Humanity is doomed soon if we don’t get our shit together. All so a handful of people can have islands to touch little girls. shm
It’s why there’s often a human in the loop who has to check the result of the AI and can be blamed if things go wrong. The poor sap can’t possibly check and correct the volumes of slop produced so they’re just there to work as a scapegoat.
This reminds me of Barney Stinson
Except he was paid well
Please
I’m pretty certain that companies and people have been using the old “computer error” excuse since at least the 1980s.
Are you sure? So far it seems like they’ve been able to do just that.
Gruen tonight was talking about ‘Single Person Billion Dollar Brands’, it was sickening.
It’s like that twilight zone episode. They fire everyone then no one is left to help do anything
That won’t stop them from trying to use “AI” as a scapegoat, and it also won’t stop investment bankers from continuing to participate in the circlejerk
Just imagine where we would be 5-10-15 years from now, if all that AI money would have went into social and environmental projects.
That describes my entire life since adolescence… wondering what kind of society we could have had if we werent governed by sociopaths
If all the resources we spent blowing shit up and killing innocent people had been put to good use instead, we would be in a Star Trek-esque post-scarcity society by now. Possibly on our way to being Kardashev type 1 society.
Well, we still need to survive the war with the Klingons and Vulcans before we form the alliance and implement full-on space communism. But we already know we will, so it’s basically just for show.
Psychopathy is the one associated with success not sociopath
No, I don’t want to be any more depressed.
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is now. We can start on nice things today.
I got ome planted so far thos year. Running out of space on my own property. Time to go guerilla.
