• NutWrench@lemmy.ml
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    Acknowledge the worst-kept secret of the last 50 years? And then expect the TRUMP administration to follow the law about supplying weapons when the previous dozen administrations have known the same thing and done fark-all about it?

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      This step to officially recognize that Israel has developed secret nuclear weapons would actually make it illegal for the US to continue supplying them with arms and military assistance, as per the US’ own laws (this is discussed in the article).

      So, these few (30?) are trying to do their job and step the US back from Israel’s closest war partner.

      What do you think they should be doing, if not this?

      Now. Why the Dems couldn’t have acknowledged this while the Israeli genocide against Gaza went through it’s most pronounced, deadly and violent phases under Biden - in fact, why he not only stood by them, made exuses for them, and compared the Hamas Oct 7 attacks to the genocide of the Holocaust… But couldn’t bring himself to see the obscene genocide perpetrated by Israel - well that’s a good question.

      But my guess would be because so many in the US were happy with retailiatory genocide and it took quite a long time and many Palestinian deaths for their opinions to shift (which has finally now happened), and the oversized power of the pro-Israel lobbies in US govt.

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        But my guess would be because so many in the US were happy with retailiatory genocide and it took quite a long time and many Palestinian deaths for their opinions to shift (which has finally now happened)

        This isn’t really true. Only a month after the Al-Aqsa Flood, support for Israel was 50% among all USAmericans and only 36% among Democrats. That tells us the Democratic base was opposed to the genocide almost from the very beginning, and though it took the rest of the US a little longer by the following March a majority of Americans opposed it.

        The function of the Democratic party is to demobilize and discipline their base, not actually represent them or their interests.

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          Your first link supports my statement - the majority of US citizens supported Israel’s military action (50% support, 45% disapproved)?

          By March 2024, well into the most gratuitous parts of the genocide - and after four months of respected authorities and institutions worldwide had been quoted in hundreds of news articles denouncing it as genocide, 58% still said that Israel’s reasons for fighting Hamas were valid, while only 22% said Hamas’ reasons for fighting Israel were valid (vs 49% claiming it invalid) and the majority agreed that “Israel’s conduct during the war has been acceptable” (38% vs 34%)..

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            I read “so many were happy” as implying something larger than an slim majority - not a 5 point margin that immediately shrank.

            And there’s a clear difference between Israel losing support and Hamas gaining support, so I’m not sure why you’re bringing that up. It’s not like Democrats had to come out in support of Hamas or Palestinian resistance to capture the growing anti-genocide movement’s votes. All they needed to do was stop giving military support to Israel once the tide turned a few months into the war.

            Democrats chose to lose because they’d rather not be in the government than be forced to turn their backs on Israel. The only fix I see for the problem is new blood in the party - the old guard have to go, because they’d rather die than stop supporting Israel.

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        But my guess would be because so many in the US were happy with retailiatory genocide and it took quite a long time and many Palestinian deaths for their opinions to shift (which has finally now happened), and the oversized power of the pro-Israel lobbies in US govt.

        i’m not convinced it’s shifted; these feel like nothing more than stunts to curry favor with the base because they know it’s doomed to failure before it even begins and also intended to be political cover to give isreal time to figure out the right hasbara posture to return americans into a state of ignorance/disinterest about palestine.

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        would actually make it illegal for the US to continue supplying them with arms and military assistance, as per the US’ own laws

        How quaint, you still think the US is a nation of laws. I hope you’re right. I just don’t believe so.

        What do you think they should be doing, if not this?

        Getting rid of the fascists in the white house, the supreme court and congress, while cleaning up their own internal corruption. Ask Chuck Schumer what his job is.

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          Me reading the article and understanding the reason for this action, and pointing out how ironic it is to be grumbing that ‘the Democrats aren’t doing their jobs’ on a news article post about the Democrats who are actually doing their jobs is definitely not the same as having trust in the US legal system, or believing it will work.

          Getting rid of the fascists in the white house, the supreme court and congress, while cleaning up their own internal corruption. Ask Chuck Schumer what his job is.

          And how do they do this, as legally appointed representatives in your govt? Can’t win a vote in the senate, barely in the house?

          Its easy to throw stones but I never see suggestions. And then whenever they do actually try legal actions and maneuvers toward solutions (ie: their goddamn job) there’s whining that they’re not doing anything 🤷

          Do you expect dems to just drag Trump and the fascists out with their bare hands? A coup? Because if you’re waiting for your moderate party politicians to do those things, you’re dreaming.

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            I expect the dems to get rid of the controlled opposition faction within their ranks and be a real oposition for once. This is very very bad political theatre.

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      It’s a baby step, but it is at least a calling some of Israel’s bullshit. As pointless and ineffective as it this move is (everyone already knows they have nukes, they don’t really try to hide it) it’s probably the closest they’ve actually come to doingsomething yet.