The vote orchestrated by a group of far-right lawmakers leaves the House without leadership. The speaker was unable to manage a bitter power struggle within the Republican Party.
I see your point. It’s just kinda… Not true I think.
As I see it: They never wanted McCarthy anyway, he was too extreme for them from the beginning. They realized pretty soon that they would rather see him go then stay, since it would just be too difficult to get on board with his shenanigans.
He was not being a Speaker of the House, the whole house, he was trying to be the lackey for the Republicans.
And using the shutdown as a way to pressure them was a republican thing. Not the Dems. The Dems just called their bluf. Which in the end… turned out to be just that.
In the end, republicans are doing this to themselves, they are (rather) quickly destroying the party from within. Fascinating to see.
Thinking about it more… It would have been an interesting tactic of the Dems to “cooperate” with some more level headed Republicans and sideline the Chaos Caucus from having anymore influence. It could have had major impact on the effectiveness of the house going forward.
As I understand it, they actually tried this. Sort of. But McCarthy was very ANTI-DEMS towards it. So they voted the way they did.
Exactly. McCarthy expected a bail out but refused to talk to them - partially because the Chaos Caucus (nice) explicitly punished him for any reaching across the aisle, but also because he was arrogant enough to think he wouldn’t be left twisting in the wind. Then he had the audacity to blame Pelosi!
He offered them nothing. Literally nothing. The senate had a bipartisan agreement in hand that everyone was ready to go with. McCarthy and his faction said “no.” They said they wanted no compromise and they got exactly what they wanted. The great irony being the 8 members of the GOP who said “no compromise” voted with the democrats against their own party.
I mean no matter how you look at this, the blame lies squarely with McCarthy and Gaetz.
I think that’s fair. My comment was a reaction to the opinion in the article that implied Dems enjoy the chaos for political advantage. As you probably understood, I don’t like it if that was really the case.
Stop copying and pasting and reply substantively, please. We are all taking the time to list our critiques. There is no way you have a one-size-fits-all edit that responds to all of us.
Remind me, how many Republicans voted for Nancy Pelosi in 2018?
Remind me, who called for the removal of McCarthy? What party are they with?
Remind me, who casted the votes that actually tipped it over the majority so he’d be removed?
That’s not my point. See the edit.
I see your point. It’s just kinda… Not true I think.
As I see it: They never wanted McCarthy anyway, he was too extreme for them from the beginning. They realized pretty soon that they would rather see him go then stay, since it would just be too difficult to get on board with his shenanigans. He was not being a Speaker of the House, the whole house, he was trying to be the lackey for the Republicans.
And using the shutdown as a way to pressure them was a republican thing. Not the Dems. The Dems just called their bluf. Which in the end… turned out to be just that.
In the end, republicans are doing this to themselves, they are (rather) quickly destroying the party from within. Fascinating to see.
Thinking about it more… It would have been an interesting tactic of the Dems to “cooperate” with some more level headed Republicans and sideline the Chaos Caucus from having anymore influence. It could have had major impact on the effectiveness of the house going forward.
As I understand it, they actually tried this. Sort of. But McCarthy was very ANTI-DEMS towards it. So they voted the way they did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEj9pnkXei0
Exactly. McCarthy expected a bail out but refused to talk to them - partially because the Chaos Caucus (nice) explicitly punished him for any reaching across the aisle, but also because he was arrogant enough to think he wouldn’t be left twisting in the wind. Then he had the audacity to blame Pelosi!
He offered them nothing. Literally nothing. The senate had a bipartisan agreement in hand that everyone was ready to go with. McCarthy and his faction said “no.” They said they wanted no compromise and they got exactly what they wanted. The great irony being the 8 members of the GOP who said “no compromise” voted with the democrats against their own party.
I mean no matter how you look at this, the blame lies squarely with McCarthy and Gaetz.
I think that’s fair. My comment was a reaction to the opinion in the article that implied Dems enjoy the chaos for political advantage. As you probably understood, I don’t like it if that was really the case.
Agreed, that would not be beneficial to anyone really. Basically a “shitty move”.
Seems like Republicans really did not leave them any other option though.
Also: the reporting of the New York Times has really nose-dived in quality the last few years.
Stop copying and pasting and reply substantively, please. We are all taking the time to list our critiques. There is no way you have a one-size-fits-all edit that responds to all of us.
That’s because I got basically the same reply multiple times. What am I supposed to do? Waste time paraphrasing the same text?
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