The death toll means around ten percent of the kibbutz’s population was wiped out
The bodies of more than 100 people were discovered by volunteers in a single, small Israeli village Monday — including those of children — believed to have been killed by Hamas militants caught on camera.
The remains were discovered in Be’eri, or Bari, a kibbutz in southern Israel close to Gaza. It’s one of the villages Hamas militants invaded on Saturday as they began their attack on the country.
“Today the volunteers entered Kibbutz Bari and it is impossible to explain in words the terrible sights - some were adults, some were children. These are horrors that cannot be grasped in the mind or soul,” a spokesperson for Zaka search and rescue told IDF radio.
Hamas thought this operation would change everything.
They were right, but not in the way they expected. All they’ve done is turn soft sympathisers like myself away from their cause. They deserve everything they get and it’s not going to be pretty. The Palestinian who will be killed during crossfire are on Hamas hands this time and the rest of the world will see it that way. absolute own goal, so they could… massacre a bunch of civilians. Hamas showing military genius of the likes of Russia
Israel at least shows an attempt to target military and government buildings, where as Hamas always aims for civilians. And they use their own people as human shields. It’s gotten harder and harder to sympathize, and keep seeing their point of view.
Lmao what? They cut off water to civilians. It’s over. Palestinian women and children are going to be dying in massive numbers over the next week.
That doesn’t even begin to include the number of Palestinian civilians being shelled to oblivion in the supposed “safe areas” designated by the authorities.
Hamas human shields
Israel: tells civilians where to seek shelter Israel: bombs the shelters You: fuck hamas
Source on bombing shelters? This is being repeated all over the place and I can’t find anything
Edit: I guess on mobile the first link tries to make you download an app, here’s another -> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/10/alarm-as-israel-again-hits-rafah-border-crossing-between-gaza-and-egypt
Edit Edit: this might not actually be a good example of my point. Gimme a few to get back to it.
But like, lets be real, Israel has been bombing civilian targets for years. https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-business-israel-palestinian-conflict-fe452147166f55ba5a9d32e6ba8b53d7
And before anyone says “Hamas was actually hiding in the walls and between the floorboards”, source? Just one reputable source with 3rd party verification.
Edit Edit Edit: Nah its good. It’s not the best example of what I mean but it’s a valid lesser example. I’ll stand by it.
You mad bro??
Israel at least shows an attempt to target military and government buildings,
They’re not doing that right now, that’s for sure.
Maybe something about blowing through the border like a bunch of orcs and murdering, raping and pillaging that makes you the bad guy. Where’s the news story of Israel officials blowing up the wall, murdering innocent people and foreigners at a music festival while stripping them and parading them through the streets?
Maybe something about blowing through the border like a bunch of orcs and murdering, raping and pillaging that makes you the bad guy
So the idf?
Show me the report of Israeli forces parading a naked foreigner through the streets after blowing up a music festival
Oh you got me that specific thing I can’t show because why could I? I can do the same, show me one instance of a Palestinian executing a us citizen by bulldozer for 15 minutes.
Israel routinely bombs news buildings, wtf are you talking about?
Far be it for me to defend the IDF, but Hamas does go out of its way to create civilian death delimeas for Israel, such as using news buildings and hospitals for critical operations centers. It’s a win/win, either Israel won’t destroy that Hamas infrastructure, or they literally blow up journalists and hospitals.
I’m not even saying this to cast judgement one way, or another, it’s just an objective statement of fact and these tactics are incredibly effective for the type of conflict they’re engaged in.
If it’s an objective statement of fact then you can definitely provide sources where third parties have confirmed that information to be true, right?
Are you talking about that Hamas Radiostation?
“Tell me which war crime you’re mad about so I can make up a lie to defend it”
What the fuck are you talking about?
Spew your hate elsewhere
“Accountability feels like an attack when you’re not ready to acknowledge how your behavior harms others.”
Bro they’re been demolishing civilian infrastructure for decades, most of the time Palestinian Gaza does not have power because Israel bombs the power station.
Hamas is shit but no yeah Israel kills thousands of civilians every year. They’ve killed 22 journalists in 20 years. They have hit news buildings with rockets, once calling for an evacuation first, for whatever fucking reason they had to hit those buildings I guess. Israel is an apartheid state. No, Hamas isn’t giving a proper response.
It’s for this human shield behaviour that this could be the beginning of the end for the whole of Palestine. Israel doesn’t care anymore, so any civilians are going to be in the firing line too. All Hamas needs to do to bring about the end of Palestine is to keep using Palestinians as meat shields.
Civilians have always been in their firing line, what the fuck are you talking about? They’re not human shields, they’re just civilians being murdered by the IDF
Hamas launches rockets from a civilian site and tells people not to leave when IDF warns them the building will be targeted shortly
Israel is trying to limit collateral damage and Hamas is actively throwing people into danger
Literally the opposite. Like in black and white, in the data on death tolls since 1948 or whenever you want to start counting. Palestine doesn’t have a military, Israel doesn’t allow them to. How would they be targeted if they don’t exist? Every. Single. Time. Someone from
Hamas does something stupid out of desperation, takes out a couple Israeli soldiers, and Israel responds by slaughtering hundreds to thousands of Palestinian civilians. Completely disproportionate in every way.
Like it’s kind of wild how much gall it takes to straight up REVERSE a statistic like that, and state it as fact. You should be ashamed of yourself.
You’re advocating for the rape, murder and kidnapping of women and children and I should be shamed of myself right? Palestine may have been a great state once, but now it’s a terrorist stronghold and you can say Palestinians are a race but they’re not, they’re a nationality. They’re Arab, and the Arab world hates and rejects them too cause they’re extremists. Again what they were is what they were, now they’re just a band of terrorists hanging on for dear life
agree. fuck hamas. every death of this conflict is on their hands
Maybe you shouldn’t speak on this one bud
No, the Gaza residents don’t deserve collective punishment, and that is what Hamas wants. They want Israel to overreact and clamp down. They want videos of their dead children and women across all media. This is part of the tried and true strategy of big guy vs little guy conflicts, and guess what it NEVER WORKS… for the big guy.
How did 9/11 work out for Osama Bin Laden? Better then he could have ever even dreamed of.
You can’t kill your way out of this kind of conflict. The only ways out are A) complete genocide or B) political resolutions and bringing them to the table.
Neither Bibi, nor Hamas, want option B, and they’re both hoping that eventually option A will work out in their favor.
You just contradict yourself. You can’t kill your way out of this kind of conflict. Then you say you can complete genocide. So you can kill your way out of this.
That is likely what they are going to do. Starve out and destroy Gaza so everyone leaves. Then enter it and take it over and build another wall woth even more guns and keep pushing new walls further back to make the balstics Hamas use less effective.
Option A won’t work out for them if they and their buddies cease existing and the strip is radioactive glass. Same with their buddies Hezbollah. And Israel, regardless of strategic ambiguity, almost certainly has the capability to pull it off.
Setting aside your own genocidal fantasies, which are beyond fucked up, I think you should pick up a map of the region and look at it. Like really look at it.
And if, within 10 secs, you don’t understand just how incredibly dumb your idea is, I think you should immediately get a vasectomy, because that would mean you’re way way way too stupid to ever be allowed to reproduce.
Please, for the sake of the world, snip snip.
I am a member of the United States Navy SSBN force, trained to set condition 1SQ for Strategic Launch of thermonuclear warheads if and when called upon to do so without hesitation. Each missile is capable of carrying in excess of ten multiple independent reentry vehicles, and each warhead is capable of at least ten times the power of Hiroshima.
What do you do for a living?
Yep, you definitely should snip snip. Please, for the sake of world’s gene pool.
Nah, my shipmates already have dozens of children, all slated to enlist or commission in the most powerful nuclear navy in the world when they are eligible. You should’ve seen Family Day on the pier. Our next generation of recruits are already on their way and lining up, our next strategic weapons platforms are already being built and slated for DASO in the next few years. Just earlier this year, we surfaced SSBNs in both Faslane, Scotland and Busan, South Korea, and an SSGN in Perth, Australia. Our SSNs are everywhere lurking beneath the waves, and our Seawolves are listening and stalking wherever they’re needed.
So stand down, civilian. There’s no stopping this war machine.
Palestinians using violent means might think they’re succeeding because they are actually getting landback for the first time in decades, but they fail to consider how bad it looks to me, a guy on the internet who thinks it would be better for their PR if they kept dying instead.
A) they didnt get land back, they are likely to lose more
B) throw rocks at tanks, dont be surprised when you get glassed
A) they didnt get land back, they are likely to lose more
False, they did. And they only lose more if Israel continues its genocide, which you’re prob gonna advocate.
B) throw rocks at tanks, dont be surprised when you get glassed
Like I said. Grotesque, as usual 🤣
False, they did
what, a bloodsoaked festival ground? for long?
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It’s a Tankie - what do you expect?
Have you seen the air raids in the Gaza strip? They fucked up big time. They’re getting carpet bombed, I can’t believe they didn’t see this coming
Hamas has always supported genocide against Jewish Israelis, they have always been extreme. You had sympathy for that? WTF bro!?
sympathy for the plight of the poor bastards being used as pawns by their genocidal terrorist leaders? yeah of course I do. Why would I be in favour of wiping the people out?
You shouldn’t, but you phrased in a way that made it sound like the Palestinian masses are responsible for Hamas.
The masses aren’t interested in instigating war or conflict. Muslims and Jews both could live in peace like they did before the West took over, but that would disrupt the western hegemony. I think people should blame leaders, including leaders outside the Middle East when we are looking for reasons for this never ending and bloody conflict.
At the next Hamas leadership meeting
“Guys our attacks are causing us to lose the support of Internet neckbeards that kind of sort of support us but never did anything at all to show that support”
“Oh no, they’re our most crucial supporters”
“I told you we should have just kept letting the IDF commit war crimes on us with impunity”
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I think you’re trying to simplify things. Both can be shitty but you need to be blind to think this “Hamas” attack is actually Palestinians.
you’d be blind if you think I even said that
Entire settlements have been burned to the ground, the population murdered and kidnapped. This will end now, and it will end violently, there is no other way. Hamas is the governing body of the failed autonomous region of gaza and now they will pay the price for starting a war.
Palestinians are going to suffer for what Hamas has started. And doubt very much that the common Palestinian wanted this. However, Israel’s bombing of civilian infrastructures in Gaza is only going to perpetuate this violence.
Nobody wins in this conflict. But, it would be a big win for the region if Nethnyahu and his party were removed and replaced with a peace seeking parliament that could turn things around.
The only way to achieve peace is the destruction of the Zionist Entity. There can be no other way to achieve peace with settler occupiers.
That’s the same as saying that there can be no peace with Palestinians and the only way to resolve this is by hauling them all in trucks to crematoriums or the Jordanian border.
Not going to happen. Either of these “Solutions” from either side of the coin.
That’s like solving depression with suicide.
Everybody wants peace… via total victory.
It’s rare for sides to genuinely want peace through equality and forgiveness with bitter enemies.
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Click the linked article and read again what you are defending.
Do you live in North America? I’m native so if you are, get the fuck out of here, otherwise don’t protest if I fuck you up right? You’re in my ancestral home after all, and you’re the occupier here
I live in India. I am not a cracker. I have no enmity with the natives of America. I request you to not waste your energy and time.
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pathetic Bourgeois Humanist tendencies
Calling dibs on this for my new prog band. Nobody else gets to take it. On second thought maybe it’s a better album title.
Your “homeland” has been bounced around so long that just about any ancient people in that region can claim it as theirs. Fuck your ancestors and your stone age feuds. If you really want this, go over there and join Hamas. I’m native blood living in North America, and I’m not about to start murdering people cause they took my ancestors home.
What if they took your home? Or your father’s home, your grandfather’s? All your families and neighbors? Then put you in MA open area concentration camp, controlled your food, water, electricity and movement, started destroying your sacred places, etc. Natives killed people for that, too.
This is not a “stone age” feud. Israel was illegally formed within the last century.
So the UN vote for the two state solution was illegal? I’ll go tell them a tankie said so.
Anybody who doesn’t agree with me is a tankie 😤
It deleted a post calling me bourgeoisie and using cheap strawman + ad-hominem demagogy so I bear his rhetoric abilities and stated facts in mind.
Not all tankies are wrong for being tankies.
Do you think a bunch of goat farmers in the late Ottoman empire gave a fuck about the UN?
No, but you’re skipping a couple of steps between 1914 and 1947.
Either way, your point is short and vague.
“The only way to achieve piece is the end of Islam as a religion and its people as a culture. There can be no other way to achieve peace with the terrorists.” - how you sound right now.
Theres a pretty fucking huge distinction there. Zion != Judaism
It could well be the end of Palestine. I hardly see Netanyahoo stopping until Hamas is completely wiped out. Israel is on a warpath now, and any civilian human shields Hamas tries to put in the way are going to be destroyed as well because Israel DGAF now.
In the end, Israel is going to commit more atrocities than Hamas in total. And by that point there may not be a Palestine left.
I’m worried about how many civilian casualties there will be
from what i know about the Conflict and the current Israeli Government and Military, there will be massive retaliations against the Palestine Populations everywhere ensuring that no Wounds get mended, instead new ones get opened and this conflict continues on forever.
Depends on how far Israel goes. Because no matter how far they go no one will lift a finger to stop them. We will see the hardest of hardliners get a say.
Every day for decades Israelis have been destroying Palestinian villages and killing or injuring innocent Palestinians.
How would you feel if Israelis burnt your toddler to death?
https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-palestinian-child-burnt-to-death-20150730-story.html
Israel is the oppressor, they are the only side who has the power to end this situation and give the Palestinians back their freedom instead of murdering them in ghettos.
For peace you need two sides at the table, and both sides gave in to their fanatics (Israeli settlers and Hamas/Islamic Jihad).
Both sides of the extremes have proven what they would do if they are in charge.
Violence, terror… genocide.
Not saying you’re wrong, but Israel funded those fanatics so the Palestinian peace movement would lose steam. They wanted this to happen.
You are painfully correct, but it is a complicated situation stretching to the days of Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin and his assassination, and there’s history before that.
If you want to brutally simplify it, you can point the finger at the current prime minister and the Israeli settlers and their supporters in the right wing.
Just don’t forget to point your other finger at Hamas, abu-mazen (PLO leader, Holocaust denier), Yasser Arafat and Iran.
It is, as I said previously, complicated.
Why would I point the finger at Hamas? It wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t support it while they were taking out people Israel wanted gone.
I feel the same way about al queda, we created it so we don’t get to complain.
Hamas started in 1987 and always was a Muslim ISIS-like organization who’s goal was the destruction of Israel.
Until the rule of Benjamin Netanyahu, no Israeli government supported Hamas. Quite the contrary, it fought against it. It is not like the US and Al-Queda (which was used as a proxy against the Soviets).
wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t support it while they were taking out people Israel wanted gone.
I’m not sure I understand your claim here.
Officially yes.
Incorrect, netanyahu just didn’t hide it very well, bro there’s so many times where you have documented accounts of Israel letting Hamas attacks happen and then moving to stop them. It’s exactly the same were just father apart.
Hamas could have and would have been exterminated in the 90s if Israel thought it benefitted them very simple, they needed a existential enemy so they made one.
Suck when Hamas uses you as a human shield
It’s ok because I’m never ever ever going to a place where I’m not wanted. Unlike the Zionists.
A Zionist is a nationalist Jew. If you ever served in armed forces, then you were an American nationalist, or at least supported your country.
Zionists do the same for Israel.
I hope you feel strongly enough about this to go join Hamas. It’s your chance to stand up to the Zionists, and heroically blow up a music festival full of innocent people. And suffer the consequences.
No thanks! This fight has nothing to do with me, and I’m certainly not this retarded either. Plenty of other places in the world where I won’t be in the middle of centuries old religious conflict. I am a veteran of the armed forces if that makes your retarded hot-take feel any more stupid.
Veteran of the armed forces, explains a lot from colonizer boot thug. You’re used to policing and blowing up the brown people, so you know all about it. I actually grew up during a war, a civilian in an American instigated conflict, so I probably know a lot more than you about what it’s like to live during a war and bombing, you’re just good at dropping said bombs
LOL cope
“Settlements”. What a cute word for genocide.
“Settlements.” What a cute word for “genocide.”
“Settlements”. What a cute word for genocide.
Very sad to see for the village.
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You’re talking like the terrorists you indite.
The path to total victory will be a pyrrhic one, regardless of if you’re Palestinian or Israeli.
PalestiniansHamasNo he’s right in that regard unfortunately, the Palestinians will now suffer and the whole world will watch. Israel doesn’t view Palestinians as people, they will gladly murder dozens of civilians just to get at one hamas loser.
100%, that’s exactly what’s going to happen.
Turn down your hate a notch - as others have already said: it is not „the Palestinians“ - it is Hamas
