I give up 20% of my paycheck to work 4 days a week.
I work 4 10s, and would want +25% to go to 5 8s.
I would demand a 33% pay increase as they are cutting out 33% of your free
timedays.Free days* - it’s the same amount of free time, but having a whole day free is much different than having extra hours free on a work day.
I suspect the folks upstairs have some change to spare.
Other sacrifices that Gen Z and millennial employees say they’d make in exchange for a four-day workweek include working longer hours (48%), changing jobs or companies (35%), working weekends or evenings (27%) and even taking a pay cut (13%).
If people can be as productive with a four-day workweek (and other surveys and studies have shown this to be the case), there should be no need for workers to sacrifice anything.
Realistically, employers should be the ones sacrificing to keep productive staff happy, including giving them a four-hour workweek with no strings attached.
Tbh if we got a four day work week we would have more time to think about and advocate for the things we want anyway. A pay cut would be temporary.
That’s why the owner class doesn’t want it. Keep the masses busy and tired.
I would be outraged, but I’m just too tired 😩
If people are as productive in 4 days as they are in 5 days, I don’t see how the employer would be sacrificing anything at all. They would just be saving a day of office lighting bills.
The employer will see that you “could” be doing more work, since you accomplish everything in 4 hours. “You don’t have enough work to occupy your time”, they’d say in my country.
That’s why people act busy. Because when you’re efficient, you get punished with more work.
This is true. My company has afternoons off in the summer (4.5 day work weeks). Basically they acknowledge that no one is doing anything after lunch on a Friday.
The same amount of actual work gets done. It’s actually more efficient because no one is coming up with useless meetings and busywork.
The “sacrifice” is number of total man hours going down. Nevermind that the remaining hours are vastly superior to the ones you lose, that’s a number that’s smaller, and unless that’s “how much we’re paying”, numbers being smaller is a bad thing, mmkay?
four-hour workweek
Now we’re getting somewhere!
After all, a typical office employee only does 15 minutes of real actual work.
4 days. 6 hour day is full time. 24 hour work week is where we should be.
1 day, 1 hour, let’s knock this shit out. I’ve got better things to do.
Despite the popular belief that younger generations are champions of remote work, one-third of Gen Z and millennial workers say they’d be willing to work fully in-person if it meant shaving a day off of their workweek.
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Other sacrifices that Gen Z and millennial employees say they’d make in exchange for a four-day workweek include working longer hours (48%), changing jobs or companies (35%), working weekends or evenings (27%) and even taking a pay cut (13%)
Translation:
- 67% would not switch from remote to in-person
- 52% would not work longer hours
- 65% would not change jobs
- 73% would not work evenings/weekends
- 87% would not take a pay cut
Fuckin based honestly. I thought they would ask for less compromise, but if they’re gonna go for the gut we’d better just tell them how it is. Less hours are proven to make better working happier more productive and cooperative employees. They’re just potentially less compliant.
Hey, studies show 8/4 wouldn’t appreciably lower productivity. Why the fuck should I give my employer anything else?
“…include working longer hours…” ?? Absolutely not. Who thinks this is a good idea.
I have worked 10 hour days, I was not 25% more productive than I was over an 8 hour day. There is only so much work I can get done during a day. After a while, I get mentally tired and it gets harder to concentrate.
Often, walking away from a problem, getting a night of sleep, and coming back fresh gives me a different perspective and I come up with new solutions.
I took this option. 10/4 is significantly better for me than 8/5, so when I saw the availability in the schedule for that, I took it. Granted, I have a job where working 10 hrs and working 8 hours is a negligible difference, but it’s a trade I’d personally make regardless.
I suspect that longer working hours includes the 10/4 crowd.
Why does this sound like it’s all made up? lol. I wouldn’t do any of those things for shaving off one day. I don’t want to just switch miseries.
All of the individual things people say they would give up are under a majority.
Millennials are considered young people? Well, that just made my day.
At this point, I think millennials were scapegoated so hard as a generation that some boomers think it’s a synonym for young person.
Millennials is just the name for the group despised by Boomers, and Boomers is just the name for the group despised by Millennials. Otherwise, either term is completely meaningless.
I always thought our inexplicable youth was owed to all the Avocado toast we snarf down instead of buying houses.
I’m 42 years young!
Five years older than me? Tell me, what was it like working by candlelight to invent electricity with only the warm sound of eight tracks to keep you steady at night? Was Millard Fillmore as awesome as people say? Did you prefer having a coffee with Oscar Wilde or Cleopatra?
Hey, we didn’t all know cleopatra. Like you had to be in the right circles to hang out with her.
I will say though that Alexander Graham Bell was an absolute fucking hoot
Despite the popular belief that younger generations are champions of remote work, one-third of Gen Z and millennial workers say they’d be willing to work fully in-person if it meant shaving a day off of their workweek.
How does paying to commute four days a week versus five days fully remote make any sense? It’s still 80% of the cost and time of commuting.
Note that this is one third. And there are people who live close enough to their workplace that it wouldn’t add much burden.
This is where it sucks for me. I’m an optometrist and I own my own practice. If I work less, then I see less patients and I do, indeed, make less. And I can’t just cram more patients into the day because then I can’t really spend time addressing my patients’ concerns. I’d become like all the other docs who people complain about who barely listen to them and get to spend 5 mins with each patient.
On top of all of this, vision plans have not increased reimbursement in 30+ years… so we have college tuition and CoL that has skyrocketed (I just graduated) and reimbursements are stagnant. So where’s the growth for me profession? Vision plans can be great for you, the patient, but they completely screw over the doc that accepts them in most instances. I’ve come across a lot of docs who simply don’t accept most insurances because they bottleneck our income.
Build class solidarity. Erode the power of insurance companies. Demand reimbursements that cover both your operating expense and personal income. Support other workers. Support every worker. Take down the system.
I think optometry is very slowly headed this way. In the finance group I’m part of I am constantly seeing posts of another OD planning to drop another insurance. It’s hard because there aren’t a lot of really big risk takers in this profession so gaining solidarity of “we refuse to accept this insurance until higher reimbursement negotiations are met” will likely never happen.
Part of the struggle is the older docs who got their entire 8years of college for $20k and then new grads like me paying $250k+ for the same degree. The older docs don’t need to stand up with us younger gens so they don’t. They made their money and just coast now.
The other part is huge corporations owning ALL of it. Luxottica is the reason your eyecare is so expensive. They own the frames, the optical, the lab that cuts your lenses, the products that’s the labs sell, and they own Eyemed (plus multiple others in that umbrella). Private equity and corporations are making optometrists look like fake, cheap docs but our scope of practice is huge. Places like Target optical, lens crafters, Americas best, etc just wants us to be refracting machines (spit out glasses/CL rx constantly) and we barely have time to even assess your health in those exams.
I agree that doctors are unlikely to seek union formation at the current time. I have suggested supporting the working class overall, to help us develop power against the systems that are harmful to us as a class.
This probably won’t happen. Employees these days have no leverage. Unions are not where they used to be. Workers rights are nowhere near strong enough. Until workers have leverage nothing changes. Can’t even stop Rto at this point. Really wish things could change
