It’s a meme

  • outer_spec@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 year ago

    That’s it? That’s the meme? That’s just a piece of toast with the words “The workers should seize the means of production” written on in it.

  • blunderworld@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    How exactly? Other than excessive bloodshed, which - other than edgelord tankies - most people would neither want, nor have the stomach to pursue.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Revolutions have happened and will continue to happen regardless of how much smug liberals will bloviate about edgelord tankies.

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        And they will continue to become stuck in the dictatorship phase until you acknowledge that you cannot create political agency via mass murder of innocents.

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        Okay sure, so what examples do you have of a successful modern revolution?

        Bonus points if you can name one where the winners didn’t just immediately change the rules and continue fucking over the little guy.

        Another bonus point if you can name an example where a revolution didn’t result in disproportionate civilian deaths relative to the ‘bad guys’.

        Then again, maybe you’re one of those ‘the end justifies the means’ kind of guys, who fantasizes about saving the rest of us by way of firing squad. If that’s the case, I’ll expect you to be on the front line to fight the government funded military force that shows up.

        Or maybe, just maybe you’re another lame ass tankie who talks a big game, but would piss their pants if someone so much as gave you a dirty look IRL.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          Soviet revolution in Russia, Revolution in China, in Cuba, in Vietnam, in Laos, in Nicaragua, just to name a few.

          Bonus points if you can name one where the winners didn’t just immediately change the rules and continue fucking over the little guy.

          None of the above examples did anything of the sort as anybody with even a modicum of historical literacy knows.

          Another bonus point if you can name an example where a revolution didn’t result in disproportionate civilian deaths relative to the ‘bad guys’.

          Define what’s disproportionate and how you decide on what’s proportionate.

          Then again, maybe you’re one of those ‘the end justifies the means’ kind of guys, who fantasizes about saving the rest of us by way of firing squad. If that’s the case, I’ll expect you to be on the front line to fight the government funded military force that shows up.

          Then again, maybe you’re one of those people who are benefiting from capitalism and don’t care about the suffering of other people as long as you got yours.

          Or maybe, just maybe you’re another lame ass tankie who talks a big game, but would piss their pants if someone so much as gave you a dirty look IRL.

          Or maybe, just maybe you’re an ignorant dronie who is as illiterate as you’re ignorant.

    • OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Literally sharing nazi propaganda from Hearst press lol

      Anyway, capitalism is known for never having famines or economic crises, especially not cyclical ones

      • Crass Spektakel@lemmy.world
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        Well, actually I am sharing “Wikipedia Propaganda” but if you want to call Wikipedia Nazi-Propaganda…

        And yes, the only pro-Western nation ever falling into a serious Food-Crisis was… Haiti.

        See, I know we are doing something right. I am not sure what we do right and there is enough things we don’t do right but… the right things we do amazingly right. If that is because the Ghosts of Hitler are possessing us all or that we are just not a bunch of utter idiots - you call.

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          And yes, the only pro-Western nation ever falling into a serious Food-Crisis was… Haiti.

          Read Late Victorian Holocausts if you want to be less wrong.

          Well, actually I am sharing “Wikipedia Propaganda” but if you want to call Wikipedia Nazi-Propaganda…

          The holodomor was originally fabricated by a hearst press associate at a time when Mr Hearst and the third Reich were openly collaborating on spreading nazi propaganda in the US. The famine was bad but the myth that it was a genocide needs to die as it is literally nazi propaganda and was used as a justification for collaborating with the holocaust in Eastern Europe

          This is in fact the mainstream academic position. You may look to Conquest, Davies, and Wheatcroft, who are genuinely anticommunist historians, for their analysis (they all say it wasn’t a genocide)

          • Crass Spektakel@lemmy.world
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            In what way is the Late Victorian Age “Pro-Western”? In the same way Dschengis Khan was “Pro-Western”? Besides, ONE book is quite vague for such an assumption as your claim isn’t even listed in the list of great famines.

            Oh, and you claim the Holodomor didn’t happen? Well, let me guess, Stalin also didn’t got 30 million sowiet people killed?

            Tovarishch, your lies gave away whose bread you eat.

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              Late Victorian Age

              It is literally a book about western liberal democracies committing genocide, including through intentionally creating famines.

              Oh, and you claim the Holodomor didn’t happen? Well, let me guess, Stalin also didn’t got 30 million sowiet people killed?

              Listen if you want to believe nazi propaganda that was used to justify collaborating with the holocaust you can be my guest. You just won’t be in line with the mainstream academic concensus on the subject.

              • Crass Spektakel@lemmy.world
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                Suuure… Stalin was an agent of the West, send to kill Russians. Just like Dschingis Khan and Mohammed. All Agents of the West.

                Thank you for making me aware of everything.

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                  I will repeat:

                  Listen if you want to believe nazi propaganda that was used to justify collaborating with the holocaust you can be my guest. You just won’t be in line with the mainstream academic concensus on the subject.