Right, but isn’t that something we effectively do anyway, with tone of voice and body language?
And if someone doesn’t pick up on our sarcasm in person, do we just let them go on thinking we believe something we actually don’t?
No. We do go “I was being sarcastic” and then they burst out laughing and go “oh damn, you got me for a second there haha”.
We announce our sarcasm in a variety of ways regardless of the setting. The point of making it unmissable online, is that if you don’t, there will be fraction of people who walk away having misinterpreted what you were saying. In person we can make sure that doesn’t happen, online in a public forum, not so much.
And since when is explaining a joke to someone who doesn’t get it, a bad thing? Are you seriously arguing that ruining the joke (whether it is even ruined in the first place is debatable, imo) is too much to trade in for helping people understand?
And this still doesn’t account for the nutcases that say this stuff, actually believing it, and then get showered with validation because the rest of us assume it is sarcasm.
Edit: whether someone is being “too unreasonable to be serious” is unfortunately no longer a reliable way to tell what someone is actually trying to say.
I’m saying satire that doesn’t in some way tell you it’s satire, can’t be distinguished from the genuinely delusional.
And thereby the way satire tells you it is satire, needs to change. No part of the art requires that there be no way to truly tell, I would argue the opposite.
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Right, but isn’t that something we effectively do anyway, with tone of voice and body language?
And if someone doesn’t pick up on our sarcasm in person, do we just let them go on thinking we believe something we actually don’t?
No. We do go “I was being sarcastic” and then they burst out laughing and go “oh damn, you got me for a second there haha”.
We announce our sarcasm in a variety of ways regardless of the setting. The point of making it unmissable online, is that if you don’t, there will be fraction of people who walk away having misinterpreted what you were saying. In person we can make sure that doesn’t happen, online in a public forum, not so much.
And since when is explaining a joke to someone who doesn’t get it, a bad thing? Are you seriously arguing that ruining the joke (whether it is even ruined in the first place is debatable, imo) is too much to trade in for helping people understand?
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Would sarcasm without inflection be the same as deadpan? So maybe without the /s it’s deadpan and with the /s it’s sarcasm? :P
This has been a fun conversation to read. Such nuance.
And this still doesn’t account for the nutcases that say this stuff, actually believing it, and then get showered with validation because the rest of us assume it is sarcasm.
Edit: whether someone is being “too unreasonable to be serious” is unfortunately no longer a reliable way to tell what someone is actually trying to say.
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Hardly.
I’m saying satire that doesn’t in some way tell you it’s satire, can’t be distinguished from the genuinely delusional.
And thereby the way satire tells you it is satire, needs to change. No part of the art requires that there be no way to truly tell, I would argue the opposite.
Agreed, but again, let’s not pretend r/fuckthes has a point in it being dumb and unnecessary.
Using it removes even the slightest room for misinterpretation. That is always a good thing.
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Hard disagree.
Clarity has never ruined a joke.