Imagine Israel, of all countries, crying to the UN, of all organizations, about a purported “flagrant violation of narional sovereignty, international law and Security Council resolutions.”
I laughed out loud when I read that. As if that isn’t exactly what Israel does virtually on a daily basis, and has done for decades now, and while thumbing their nose at the UN the entire time.
The best part is the UN charter clearly states that when a country is attacked, it has aright to self defense. Let’s watch Israel talk their way around that as they vindicate Iran and incriminate themselves.
Are you seriously pretending that Israel attacked Iran first?
They literally did.
Why are you ignoring previous Iranian attacks on Israel?
Do Israel’s “previous” attacks on Palestine justify the Palestinians attacking Israel in the present or future, more or less out of nowhere, if they feel like it?
Can you explain to me how a pogrom can ever be justified? Because that was what Palestinian terrorists did on October 7, under the applause of a worrying number of people. It was the kind of pogrom Jews have been experiencing for millennia.
A better example of a pogrom might be the killing of over 30,000 civilian Palestinians and simultaneously starving them to death with blockade following 75 years of occupation and a century of colonialism. Proportionality matters and it doesn’t favor your argument
I don’t at all think attacks on innocent Israelis are justified, no. I think the perpetrators of October 7th should get what’s coming to them and are most likely destined for hell.
I’m pointing out that your logic would justify sudden attacks on Israel or the US by the Palestinians – say, on October 6th if they had bombed the embassy and killed some generals and some random civilians – because of “previous.”
One need not pretend something that is already factually accurate. This was a retaliation and direct response for Israel bombing Iran’s consulate in Syria on April 1. This is why Iran targeted and struck the Negev air force base ( which contains US F-35s used to bomb Gaza ) as that is the base from which that attack originated. This is also why Iran says it now considers the matter “concluded” and warned the US and Israel against further reprisals. Those are facts and not “pretending” so if you are going to “pretend” this isn’t true and try to distort the matter I’m not interested.
They literally killed two Iranian generals and a bunch of other officials at a consulate. So yes, Israel is trying to escalate a regional war so Bibi can keep his genocide going. Iran has actually showed pretty remarkable restraint.
It’s the same old tired play that fascists do to stay in power. Like, literally every time, and somehow people don’t catch on…
Yeah it’s nottheonion material.
It was always thus, in this as in many other contexts. If phase 1 is “You can’t stop me, rules mean nothing, I will do as I please,” it’s a good bet that by phase 3 we’ll arrive at “OMG what is happening now is against the rules, won’t someone step in and make sure I come to no harm, we need justice.”
The percentage chance that the security council will do something about this is pretty much exactly 0.
The US vetoes anything the UN tries to do against whatever war-criminal shit Israel gets up to in any given year, the two of them often completely alone, but with the veto on the other foot, the other 99% of the world will I think be firmly on the side of simply telling Israel “my guy you must be joking with this.”
Iran has stated that they now consider the matter closed from their perspective, and the US is for the most part pretty careful about escalation management. The only real wild card is what Israel wants to do, which God only knows, but I do hold out hope that their first action being to involve the UN means they’re planning on a bunch of performative outrage and nothing else significant.
and the US is for the most part pretty careful about escalation management.
How’s that?
The US is always at war in at least one place somewhere on earth, and has learned from painful experience how easy it is to ratchet a conflict up into a bigger deal than it needed to be and how difficult to ratchet it back down, so they pay close attention now to when they’re crossing certain lines especially when nuclear weapons are involved.
Put it another way, all the nations of the world all go to the same bar, and a lot of them have guns and split personalities, and they spend every night playing cards and cheating and there’s always at least one fist fight, and somehow it’s been about 75 years since anybody got shot.
On the other hand, weapon manufacturers are always looking to expand their markets, and they have the money to
buy outlobby governments, so the question is more about where is the balance between what would a “sane” government want, and what conflicts could weapon peddlers make them instigate in order to maximize profits.Like: would Israel want to buy some more stuff from the US? Would they give the US a discount on some Iron Dome in exchange? Could Biden reinstate sales to the UAE? Exactly how many nukes might be involved, and how would that impact everyone’s interests in the region? (for example: what will be the oil prices tomorrow?)
Kissenger?!
If you’re gonna learn to understand about war and war crimes and escalations, you might as well go to the old masters in the field
(It’s just his name on the school; the paper’s got nothing to do with him. He was safely in hell long before it was written.)
Well, I did automatically assume it was probably in the same general bent of his ideology. I know better. I’ll check it out, thanks.
An interesting immediate response. That would accomplish exactly nothing.
Hopefully this means they’re planning to take their L and whine a lot and not start a whole-region war
Or it’s a pretext to do exactly that
Or that yes
Israel is like the short guy in your group of friends always ready to brawl…
But needs everyone’s help to back him up.
Because this short guy was beaten up 100 times in the past until they decided to strike back and win - and they are also doing everyone’s homework.
With a side hustle of trying to “not just win this fight, but also all future fights” (as put by Ender).
