The Israeli military had US support in rescuing four captives from Gaza in a “complex daytime operation” in Nuseirat that killed over 200 Palestinians.

A US official told Axios that the US hostages cell in Israel had “supported” the effort to rescue the captives.

The Palestinian government media office in Gaza said the death toll from Israel’s attack on central Gaza had reached at least 210, with 400 more wounded.

“The occupation has annihilated the Nuseirat refugee camp. Innocent and unarmed civilian were bombed in their homes. I’ve never seen anything like this. It’s a catastrophe,” local Nidal Abdo told Middle East Eye.

"I came from the camp to here in the hospital on foot. I can’t describe how we fled. I saw dead children and body parts strewn all over as we fled. No one was able to assist them. I saw an elderly man killed on a animal-drawn cart.

“Nuseirat was being annihilated. It was hell.”

It said: “American participation in the criminal operation that was carried out today proves once again the complicit role of the American administration, its full participation in the war crimes committed in the Gaza Strip, [and] the falsity of its declared positions on the humanitarian situation and its concern for the lives of civilians.”

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    I wonder how the four hostages feel that their rescue involved the murdering of dozens of women and children on the same day.

    I would hope they have the empathy to feel guilty about that, but considering what the general Israeli poster (and Israeli population member, based on polls) is like, I doubt they view Palestinians as human.

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      Or like Ekaterina Shulman said about polls in Russia related to politics and war: “Average person when asked a question thinks «What do I think? I think same as others. What others think? They think what was said on TV»”.

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      Feel guilty for getting captured by one set of murdering lunatics and then freed by another set? Why? What was their misdeed? Going to a concert? Surviving a massacre?

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          So to you all Israeli Jews, Druze and Bedouin can be kidnapped and killed for being born on “stolen Palestinian land”?

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          Ah yes, so every american shouldn’t ever feel any joy because they were born on stolen land.

          Get out of here. Any person saying they want the 48 borders are a lunatic living in la-la land. You only enforce the Israeli twisted view of “there could never be peace with them” by actually showing that you want the genocide of all Israelis, instead of realistic borders of a palestinian state. Fuck you.

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              And that kids, is why peace just isn’t thing in the middle east. When you think of the other side as something meant to just be destroyed, don’t be surprised when peace doesn’t last and ceasefires break.

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        It’s called Survivor’s Guilt. It may not be rational, but emotions often aren’t. And yes, they’re likely to wind up with it for both surviving the October 7th raid AND for the deaths in the raid that freed them. Along with all sorts of other trauma related mental health issues.

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      Man, I don’t know how I could stomach that guilt. Knowing that your rescue came at the cost of many more innocent civilians killed and wounded, including children. I don’t think I’d be able to look at any of the victims who survived in the face, let alone grieving family.

      What’s really twisted is it isn’t the hostages’ faults either that all those people died. I don’t know if I’d even blame the kidnappers for those deaths. Surely the IDF could’ve done more to prevent civilian deaths.

      It would take a monstrous person to not feel considerable guilt after this. I guess we’ll find out the type of person these hostages are.

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    Can we finally say that Biden is directly killing children now?

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    A deal has been on the table for weeks now. A deal that would’ve released all the hostages and would’ve caused zero Palestinian deaths. I guess to the average Israeli one of their citizens goes for at least 50 Palestinians though.

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    Rumor: There are allegations with some still non conclusive footage floating that the IDF used a fake humanitarian aid truck during the rescue operation to get into the camp

    And that the hostages were evacuated at the American temporary pier.

    As UNRWA = Hamas is allowed without any evidence, surely we can post these allegations here.

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    So, US had been reluctant to allow Ukraine to strike Russian military assets deep within Russia with American weapons; but at the same time, US handwaves away Israelis killing Palestinian civilians using massive American military package.

    Biden-- you could not be any more of an ass without a spine.

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    The fact that the hostages were located in a refugee camp says a lot every day is an opportunity to give up the hostages. The Palestinians are all complicit. Why do they not pressure Hamas to give them back? Because they are 100% aligned with Hamas. And people want to claim they are innocent? That claim has lost its legitimacy. Think what you want.

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      I think most civilians in Gaza are busy trying to survive. People are starving and trying to avoid being killed. Constantly moving. Even if starving refugees did run in to one of the hostages, how and to who would they relay this information? And with that information relayed, what could the informant expect happen to the the camp that they stay in?

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    The majority of Palestinians I have on Facebook cheered and posted demeaning stuff when the original Hamas attack happened.

    I understand they don’t like Israel, but rejoicing and being assholes about regular people being raped and murdered really won’t get me to care about your cause.

    I don’t like the Israeli government at all, but Hamas and the people who support Hamas can fuck right off.

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      palestinians should shut up while being Genocided for the last 20 years with Zionists having a party about it and America supporting it.

      Good thing you stood up for them before Oct7. They can always count on you.

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        You’re just larping at this point. You don’t care about the Palestinians either -this much is certain.

        Kony 2012, amirite?

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      Why on earth do you mostly have pro-terrorist facebook friends? Did you not realise you can just block people like that?

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      How deranged do you have to be to think that it’s okay to murder more than 200 innocent people to save 4? Imagine that there’s a hostage situation somewhere near you, and the outcome is “we saved the 4 hostages, unfortunately 200 bystanders died”. I can not comprehend how you can be so mentally disturbed that you can be okay with that.

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        How deranged do you have to be to think that it’s okay to murder more than 200 innocent people to save 4?

        Person you are replying to didn’t do that in comment you are replying to.

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          They meant to say it as they already commented

          I do not believe all 200 are innocents

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            I mean, say what you want but 100% dozens of those 200 are Hamas terrorists. He’s not wrong. Heck, we don’t even know if it was indeed 200 killed.

            Also how is nobody here even a bit mad over Hamas hiding hostages in a refugee camp?

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        How deranged do you have to be to say Israeli lives are less important than Palestinian? Take your Hamas propaganda somewhere else troll.

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          The issue here is that the IDF believes Israeli lives are FAR more important than Palestinian lives. How much? They actually have calculated how many Palestinian civilian deaths are acceptable to protect one Israeli soldier.

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            They didn’t calculate a fixed number. They adjust the numbers depending on what allows them to throw enough bombs that day. And if they get to distract or don’t face political backlash over it, which we saw in the past months getting especially worse, with how the US, UK and Germany to maybe throw some words, but otherwise go hellbent on full support of their crimes.

            For all matters of reason the value of a Palestinian life to the Zionazis is 0. Heck we see them murdering women and children out of boredom. We see them counting how many women and children they murdered and bragging about it on Tiktok.

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          Lol what? I’m clearly not saying that, I’m arguing Israeli lives are not worth more than Palestinian. My whole point is that a life is a life, I don’t give a rats ass what side of an imaginary line on a map that person was born.

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        Innocents died and that is a tragedy but I do not believe all 200 are innocents when there are hostages being held. If I was complicit holding hostages in my home I would not be an innocent

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          Okay, let’s assume only half are innocent (that’s generous given the statistics of the invasion so far). That’s still more than 100 innocent human beings murdered. Families torn apart, children orphaned, parents that have to bury their children, or families that simply stopped existing. How anyone can celebrate that outcome as a success I will never understand.

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            It’s a city. Calling it a refugee camp is due to the special UN status all Palestinians have as refugees no matter where they are.

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              That is bullshit. The reason why 90% of the Palestinians have a refugee status is because 90% of them were forcibly displaced by Israel. The few Palestinians that don’t have a refugee status do so, because they were already living in Gaza or the few remaing parts of the occupied Westbank and East Jerusalem that weren’t forcibly evicted and settled by Israeli terrorists yet.

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                You mean their grandparents were displaced by Israel. They themselves were born in Gaza or the West bank, and should be considered residents of that land. If attempts of trying to “free palestine” by terrorism stop, and plans like Oslo could be continued of establishing a state in the 67 borders, then Palestinians can stop being refugees. Meanwhile no Palestinian organization is doing what’s good for their people - which is to try and make peace over existing borders.

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                  90% of Gazans have been displaced from the homes they did live one year ago due to Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which is why the person you’re talking to says they’re refugees. Please get informed because flaunting your ignorance.

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                  Replace Palestinians with European Jews in your statement, and think of existing borders as in Nazi Germany 1942 and then think again very slowly, if you want to make these kind of arguments.

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          These comments are unironically as insane as people that say that there are no innocents in israel and Hamas had the right to shoot every israeli.

          But somehow Zionists saying insane Nazi shit just flies.

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          Innocents died and that is a tragedy but I do not believe all 200 are innocents when there are hostages being held.

          Those 200 could be rest of hostages.

          If I was complicit holding hostages in my home I would not be an innocent

          Direct question. Are you USSAian? Because it seems you imagine everyone lives in own separate house.

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        “We know where our people are but Hamas has surrounded themselves with their own citizens. What should we do?”

        “Damn. I guess we’ll have to abandon our people then. Pack it up.”

        Stop letting Hamas’ tactic work on you.

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          4 adults for 23 kids is not worth it.

          I would say that everyone of them should be reminded what their rescue cost repeatedly, but that’s not fair to them and the others are like you and think the trade is worth it.

          Stop letting Israel’s tactics work on you.

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            Darn. Guess we just have to let Hamas and anyone who comes after do whatever they want as long as they keep their human shields nearby.

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                Keep reducing everything to the color of people’s skin and you’ll continue to be confused about lots of other people’s positions on a wide variety of topics.

                I’m sure it makes life simpler for you though.

                Just in case you’re not totally gone, consider the Russia Ukraine conflict.

                If Ukraine took action to recover their kidnapped citizens and it ended like this one did, I’d hold the exact same position. And gasp their skin is white!

                Unlike lots of “progressives”, my opinion of right and wrong doesn’t change with people’s skin color.

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                  You didn’t even need to use that conflict as an example. Most Israelis are brown.