I took a quick look while it was up and it was just a user guide, similar to the lemmymigration subreddit

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    Absolutely wild that they looked at what happened at Twitter, identified all the things that triggered the several periods of mass migration to Mastodon (shutting off api access, policy changes, shutting down conversation about alternatives) and decided to speed run it. Next thing is trying to directly monetise people by giving them a red tick or something.

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      Absolutely wild that they looked at what happened at Twitter, identified all the things that triggered the several periods of mass migration to Mastodon (shutting off api access, policy changes, shutting down conversation about alternatives) and decided to speed run it. Next thing is trying to directly monetise people by giving them a red tick or something.

      Same exact thing happened with Fark around 2007 with regards to the redesign. “You’ll get over it,” one infamous mod quipped. Except now Fark is a hollow shell of what it used to be. Barely a footnote in internet history.

      The efforts to extinguish dissent (over the redesign and tightening of content moderation, eg, boobies, despite showing racy ads with… yep, boobies) went so far as to even using similar words to what had been regular injokes and memes on Fark would get you banned for “spam”, promoting another site, etc… Just because another site popped up called Bannination (dot) com. (Edit: Domain expired, now a blogspam/squat site. Broke domain name to prevent linking)

      What then was once limited to Fark and Fark threads extended to edit wars on Wikipedia. Because, at first, there was a subsection on Fark’s wiki page that covered common injokes, terms and filtered substitutions (fuck becomes fark, being banninated/going to bannination, shadowbans, etc) was now claimed to be a haven for ‘people trying to spam Bannination’ as an alternate site to go to. However, only Bannination was the site being objected to, not Digg or Reddit. The whole situation showed me that even Wikipedia would be subject to the corrosive effects of those who think they had power to control a community.

      And it’s the same damn shit in the end, hubris and ego leading to this. Doubling down only leads to an accelerated decline.

      When any community won’t tolerate telling people about other communities or tries to tell you where you can or cannot go, it’s time to get the fuck out and never look back.

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        Yeah Genevieve Marie ruined Fark for me. That’s when I went to Reddit. Now I’ve left Reddit for completely different reasons.

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      Reddit is shifting from user-focused to investor-focused and AI-focused. It doesn’t matter what users think. They have done their job. They can all literally quit the site today, and it still doesn’t sink Reddit’s plans. Reddit has no reason to care what any user thinks anymore. Those days are over.

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      Technically it has kinda worked out for Twitter though. They still have a sizable userbase, its just a dumpster fire now.

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        Probably depends on how you define success with these things. The valuation of the company is down a significant amount since it was purchased and recent reports had ad revenue also down a significant amount too. Whether the owner cares about those things is probably up for debate, and evidence would suggest he might be looking for something other than money out of it, like influence, or just a play thing. I’m not sure the owners of Reddit are motivated by the same things, I think they just want to be richer. Time will tell I guess, it’s difficult to tell the difference between incompetence and intentional acts from the outside.

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      I mean, there’s an argument to be made that reddit was going down this path long before Twitter, what with their hosting and perhaps even promotion of r/t_d

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      My assumption all along is that the new API pricing thing was in preparation for a backpedal where they implement a paid tier for users that includes third party app access

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        Very plausible, but they can screw off with that psychological game bullshit. I am tired of everything being about profits these days. I want the early 2000s internet back!

        Centralization needs to die, and community collaboration needs to take its place so stuff like that stops happening.

        A single entity made a single decision, killing countless devs years of work in an instant.

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    This wild banning of subreddits that promote alternatives to reddit is likely to push a lot of people to leave who may have been on the fence about staying on reddit

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        If you haven’t done it, go back and delete your posts and comments. Reddit needs your content, without its users providing content and moderation Reddit is done.

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    I’m on both beehaw and kbin. I’m still trying to understand kbin. I guess magazines are like communities? But the list of magazines, while long, appears to only be local? How do I see communities on other instances to subscribe to them? Beehaw is more understandable. I can see what instance someone is posting from. I can see and subscribe to communities for other instances. I can select to see all my subscriptions from any instance.

    So for now, I’ll keep both my accounts. Let the dust settle. Learn how to drive “this thing” and eventually delete an account from a server that I don’t need. It’ll free up space for someone else.

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      You can find lemmy communities via the search function. Search with @COMMUNITY@LEMMY-INSTANCE, this produces a magazine that is linked to the community.

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      I don’t think it has communities like Lemmy - it all seems to be kbin.social so it is all local. However, if you head over to Lemmy and locate the communities you want to follow from their big list (like the beehaw.org communities), you can add them to your kbin subscriptions and follow along from kbin. The only difference I’ve found is that Lemmy community links start with the ! sign, so that has to be changed to @ when you search for the community through kbin.

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        It looks like someone is making an extension to handle subscribing to Lemmy communities easier from kbin. I’m still trying to figure it all out myself though.

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          That would be great! The easier things are for anyone who migrates the more likely they are to stick around and contribute.

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    That’s crazy lmao, I found out about kbin through all the fiasco and the subreddit called redditalternatives where it was rated very highly, just a few hours ago too

    But anyway, hello everyone, been a reddit user since 2013, this seems like a nice place to lose productive hours to

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    I tried to register for Kbin and never got the registration email.

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      Sorry if this is a dumb question - wtf is Kbin? I ass it mentioned on here everywhere, is it another Lemmy instance? I feel out of the loop!

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        kbin is part of the federation - like Lemmy - but it is coded differently and has a different developer. Since it is part of the federation, though, Lemmy users can subscribe to kbin communities (called magazines) and vice versa. kbin has threads like Lemmy, but it also has a micro blogging option similar to Twitter/Mastodon.

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          Oooohhhh okay so it’s not Lemmy but they’re in the same family and can talk to each other in a way?

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          Since it is part of the federation, though, Lemmy users can subscribe to kbin communities (called magazines) and vice versa.

          How does one do that?

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            It’s bugging out right now, probably because of the massive amount of traffic, but once things calm down you should be able to search for a magazine by full URL (https://kbin.social/m/gaming, for example) in communities, switch all search settings to all, wait for your instance to pull in the magazine and click through to the federated URL (should look like https://lemmy.world/c/gaming@kbin.social, assuming you’re on lemmy.world)

            Basically, just like adding a community nobody else on your instance has added before.

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      Signed up last night. Didn’t have an issue. Mail took about 20 minutes to come in.

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    Is there any advantages to kbin over lemmy? php seems like a much worse tech stack for no benefit.

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      Kbin is nice. It’s easy to register on kbin.social so might as well check it out, although they are possibly under DDOS attack right now. I’m on there and lemmy at the moment.

      Both systems are very similar and are compatible. You can follow lemmy from kbin and vice versa. Lemmy is probably more mature, but kbin is also pretty slick and seems to be moving fast. The community on kbin.social is fairly large so you will likely find more interaction on there without having to subscribe to federated servers. That probably makes onboarding a little easier for reddit refugees. They also have a microblog feature that works like Mastodon (federated twitter alternative) so you get to use lemmy-like and mastodon-like in one app and federate with both.

      The fact that kbin is written in PHP shouldn’t put anybody off. Modern PHP isn’t the same as the old stuff that earned a bad reputation. I haven’t used PHP for a long time, but my understanding is it’s now a solid stack that’s on par with other mainstream stacks.

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        You can follow people on kbin, can’t follow them on Lemmy “because it would require an overhaul”

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      Honestly, I joined lemmy.ml first before really taking a look at the ideals of most of that userbase and I just do not agree with a large part of what they identify with.

      Bounced around to a few other instances that all seemed… Idk not the right fit. But kbin so far seems much more my style and I finally now got an account created so we’ll see how it goes.

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        I feel like the server owner matters more than the platform itself. Which is to say that while I’m also not a fan of how far left the lemmy devs are, I have found some lemmy communities to be more in line with my values. I imagine if lemmy grows at all we’re eventually going to see many views represented. So I think whether to use kbin or lemmy should really come down to aesthetic preferences. I personally prefer the look/feel of lemmy, but I respect anyone who prefers kbin. It’s pretty cool that we can communicate across platforms. Really shows the power of ActivityPub.

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        I’m curious what has turned you off here, since I’m very new. Reddit’s weirdly right wing political tilt has been turning me off for some time now, hoping that’s not the case here.

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          Also new, and I’m with you- reddit was always too full of right wingers for my liking. I also like this instance (lemmy.ml)and it seems to have a more left tilt, specifically when it comes to bigotry.

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      I mean it’s easier to develop new features when you’re using a language like PHP. I love Rust but it’s going to be laughable at how slow they will move new features out compared to other platforms unless they can get a ton of more developer volunteer support (and way less people know Rust to begin with).

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        How many new features are there really to add?

        I’d rather them be made in a much more solid language than having them fast.

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          Better profiles, followers, better community customization, better embeds, I can keep going on. Yeah, Reddit has a ton of stupid features that nobody asked for but it also has a lot of things that are very good for everyone. Obviously we’re still in the early days but they’re already running into issues (they are just finishing ripping out all the websockets and chat server stuff, which was one of the big things slowing down instances)