• OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    If a neighbouring state blew up your house, killing your children and your wife, would you be more or less likely to commit violent acts against them?

    This will not keep Israel safe. It will only create further generations that hate them.

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      6 months ago

      So you blame Israel for existing and being constantly under attack by terrorists… “how dare you fight back!” man cant make this shit up…

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        So you blame Palestina for existing and being constantly under attack by terrorists… “how dare you fight back!” man cant make this shit up

        That argument works both ways

        (Even if you oppose the classification of Israel as “terrorists” - although fair given the definition - replace terrorist in that sentence with “Israel” and the sentiment is exactly the same)

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          No i don’t i say there is Palestine as a country in the first place, its just a Israeli autonomous region because they behave like they do.

          And yes i do blame the people there for having started a genocide after the founding of Israel and not having stopped by now, committing antisemitic crimes and crimes against humanity with repeatedly shooting rockets into Israel, a legitimate country that was given the area by England after they ended their colony there.

          Oh and Israel already significantly reduced in size since then by giving space for peace.

          • dlatch@lemmy.world
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            The Palestinian state is recognised by the majority of countries in the world (currently 145 out of 193, and growing, like recently by Spain, Norway, Slovenia and Ireland).

            I suggest you look up UN resolution 181 and see what parts of “The British Mandate for Palestina” (interesting last word in that name) were actually given to Israel, and which parts were left to the “Palestinian arab population”. You’ll find that Israel is occupying large areas of land that the British did not actually give to them.

            Just because Israels propaganda does not want a Palestinian state to exist, does not make it so.

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            6 months ago

            Palestine is an Israeli autonomous region? Wild that someone would come right out with the colonialist revisionism, but okay.

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        If i was in 1947, i would definitely oppose the creation of a state regadless of religion or race by recent emigrants. Now the situation is different, i just want gaza and the west bank to be completely liberated. The goal was always to colonize the whole region based on the first prime minsiter of israel before the 1948 war “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine”

        Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs…"Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923.

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            Always fun how Israel apologists fall back to “you’re an antisemite” once they know they have no valid argument left.

            You’re devaluating “anti-Semitism” by misusing it, and as a result you are hurting Jewish people. Furthermore, by equating Israel to Judaism, you’re propagating that any misbehaviour by the Israeli government reflects the will of the Jewish people, further damaging the Jewish people worldwide.

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                “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

                This is the working definition of antisemitism as per the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. Criticising the Israeli government for behaviour they exhibit does not fall under this definition, and therefore we can’t be “antisemitic as hell. By definition”.

                Stop equating Israel to the Jewish people, they are not the same.

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            6 months ago

            Everyone is an anti simit why are all of you jew haters trying to stop the state of Israel from committing genocide your simitisim is showing you’re basically Hitler for wanting to prevent a genocide why are you so simit

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        So you blame Israel for existing

        The process that brought the state of Israel into existence caused a lot of animosity among the population who were previously there.

        Add to that decades of Israel displacing more people by annexing land for their “settlements” and its not hard to imagine why there would be resentment and anger against the Israeli government.