Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Ukraine should be allowed to strike deep inside Russia, despite Moscow threatening that this would draw Canada and its allies into direct war.

“Canada fully supports Ukraine using long-range weaponry to prevent and interdict Russia’s continued ability to degrade Ukrainian civilian infrastructure, and mostly to kill innocent civilians in their unjust war,” Trudeau told reporters at a news conference in Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue, Que., on Friday.

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    3 months ago

    Putin has been saying NATO was already at war with Russia, so what is it, bub? You can’t start a war that is already started, supposedly.

    Hell, there was even a Ukrainian video released from Kursk of some old dude telling Ukrainian soldiers that he expected US troops… because the TV said it was the US that was invading Russia.

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    3 months ago

    Just another reminder of the hypocrisy that Russia receives weapons and munitions from several countries and doesn’t restrict their use in Ukraine territory the way Ukraine has been restricted with NATO supplied weapons.

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    3 months ago

    Here is a video explaining the current situation regarding US and NATO greenlighting the use of long range weapons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3cgxeFNdqI

    The point of allowing Ukraine to use these weapons isn’t for Ukraine to strike deep into Russian territory. It is to deter Russia setting up logistics just across Ukraine and Russian border because they feel safe. This forces Russia to move their logistics centers further inward stretching out the line. Another reason mention in the video is to strike the bridge in the Kerch strait connecting Crimea and Russia.

    NATO could have made this decision in secret and allow Ukrane to launch a surprise attack deep into Russia but that’s not what’s happening. It seems like everyone including PM of Canada is essentially broadcasting this new potential capability instead of keeping it a secret because NATO wants it to be a form of deterrent. This is why this is relatively safe move and will not escalate into anything bigger like a full on nuclear war.

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    3 months ago

    putin said same thing about tanks, long range rockets and planes… Ukraine got all of the above and nothing followed. Those are hollow threats of a desperate maniac who’s cornered himself

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      Yeah, we (the West) screwed up big time. If Ukraine got full help in 2022, this war likely would be over the same year. Russia was very disorganized in initial invasion, and Ukraine only needed a bigger kick to push them back all the way.

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        This isn’t an error. A proxy war at the expense of innocents has always been the plan. It’s what we do. The rest is just lies we tell ourselves to feel good about it. Ukraine needs to join NATO afterwards so they won’t retaliate with “terrorism” like everyone else has in the past. Bonus: Allied airfields on Russia’s doorstep.

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          This is bullshit vatnik propaganda.

          The west didn’t expect Ukraine to do nearly as well, or Russia to be as much of a joke. We figured kyiv would be rolled in 2 weeks.

          Coupled with political nervousness after the mess in the middle east, and rising China, the west has been far too cautious, doubly so with all the support Russia has been giving the far-right everywhere.

          We need to hitch up our balls and push forward, the risk isn’t Russia escalating, it’s Russia winning and continuing to rebuild its empire while China pushes similarly in Asia.

          This is a new axis forming, we either stop it now or pay a far greater price going forward.

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            3 months ago

            Afghanistan. Iraq. Iran. Libya. Syria.

            But, suuuure. This time it’s different.

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              That was the moron wing of US foreign policy.

              Look again and tell me this is the same, Russia has been invaded by their version of Canada.

              This is what we should have been doing in the 2010s, which we wasted because of the inbred moron wing of texas trying to control oil.

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                That was the moron wing of US foreign policy.

                So, the reason the program has been so successful for decades is because it’s being run by morons?

                That’s how you’re backing your assertion of “vatnik propaganda”?

                Wow. Good luck with that nonsense.

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              Ah yes, it’s…

              checks notes

              the US fault that Russia invaded Ukraine. Right, makes perfect sense, carry on.

              The only involvement the US or even most of the NATO countries have had in this complete shitshow has been to sell obsolete military hardware to Ukraine at a steep discount. It was probably cheaper to ship the stuff in bulk to Ukraine than it would cost to properly decommission it so might even have saved some money doing that.

              Russia desperately wants to make this a fight with NATO or even better the US so they look like less of a laughing stock for losing this badly.

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                This time it’s different.

                I understand where you’re coming from. I think you’re naive.

                If we wanted the war to be won then we’d have already settled it with superior airpower and munitions. Instead, we offer limited assistance and imposed Vietnam-style geographic rules.

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              Don’t forget Vietnam and Korea.

              The US is constantly enmeshed in wars, but when was the last time Americans actually won one? 1945?

              That was 79 years ago. Almost one whole Biden.

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                Don’t forget Vietnam and Korea.

                Vietnam and Korea were hot wars. My examples are proxy wars where the locals retiliated with “terrorism”.

                The US is constantly enmeshed in wars, but when was the last time Americans actually won one? 1945?

                We’re achieving our goals in Ukraine right now, as we did in all my examples above. The last time we lost was Vietnam, unless we’re also counting failed coup attempts (2020).

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                  My examples are proxy wars where the locals retiliated with “terrorism”.

                  Doesn’t that describe Vietnam?

                  We’re achieving our goals in Ukraine right now, as we did in all my examples above.

                  Is your point that the US goes to war to fund the military industrial complex rather than to achieve victory? Because otherwise I’m not understanding your point.

                  I don’t think any of those conflicts (including Ukraine) went the way the US wanted them to.