Who gives a fuck? Stop trying to sew division and relitigate an election that ended three months ago. Fuck the politics of division. The left needs unity now. Fuck the dividers.

That’s an interesting way to lie about history…

My favorite is how they downvote posts that point this out to Hell. Then they look around and say, “wow, all the pro-Palestine posts are gone. Guess they were all just Russian bots!”

Is there silence? I see plenty of comments routinely downvoted to Hell on this topic. People just downvote the dissenting voices and then pretend they don’t exist.

Exactly. The truth is that the current DNC is utterly incapable of actually winning a presidential election, and they have been incapable of it for more than a decade. 2020 was an anomaly; they won only due to covid. Fixating on Gaza will only ensure that the fundamental mistakes aren’t corrected and that Republicans win again in 2028.

Kamala/Biden were already losing before the Palestine conflict started. Palestine did not cause Kamala to lose the election. She could have used Palestine as a signal that she intended to truly strike out in a new direction, but she chose not to do that.

Unfortunately, that kind of radical break from the past was the only hope any Democrat had in 2024. People have this weird view that 2024 is an anomaly. It’s not. 2020 was the anomaly. Trump only lost in 2020 because of covid. If not for covid, Trump would have easily won in 2020.

You might as well be blaming Gaza for the Libertarian party not winning. The existing Democratic party is as nonviable at the presidential level as the Libertarian party is. The current Democratic leadership is fundamentally incapable of winning a national presidential election. They literally are not capable of it. They got lucky in 2020 due to a disaster of historic proportions, but in normal times, they are not capable of wielding a candidate that will win a presidential election.

Only radical change and reform in the DNC can change this. And this is ultimately why scapegoating the handful of people who actually stayed home due to Gaza is counterproductive. If you think Kamala lost in 2024 due to Gaza, you’re going to be sorely, sorely disappointed in 2028 when another DNC centrist fails to win, even when the Gaza issue is no longer on the table.

Kamala didn’t lose because of Palestine. She lost because DNC centrism has been a political dead end since at least 2012. 2020 was the anomaly; Trump only lost because of Covid.

Centrists are just using the Palestine issue as a scapegoat for their own failures. Kamala/Biden was doomed long before Palestine.

The real failure of the Democrats wasn’t even on Gaza. The day Biden won the election, I was saying that it didn’t matter, and that Trump or a similar Republican would be back in power in 2024. Why? Because it was abundantly obvious, even then, well before Gaza, that he wasn’t going to do the things that needed to be done to keep Trump out of power.

The 2020 election was the anomaly. DNC milquetoast centrism is a dead philosophy and has been politically nonviable since 2012 at the latest. Biden only won by a fluke in 2020 because Trump managed to so massively screw up the covid response. If covid hadn’t happened, or if Trump hadn’t actively screwed it up so much, he would have won in 2020.

Biden represents a philosophy that voters have rejected again and again. Yet the Democrats will never fucking learn.

Even if by some miracle Kamala had won, all that would have changed was that Trump or another fascist would have won in 2028, because again, she wasn’t going to do anything substantial.

People ultimately didn’t even stay home just because of Gaza. They stayed home because they were tired of voting for a failed party again and again, election after election, because “democracy was on the line.”

Here’s a hard fucking truth about democracy. For most people, democracy hasn’t been worth jack shit. Remember, the bottom 90% of the country doesn’t actually live in a democracy and hasn’t for decades. US democracy died a long time ago. People just got tired of propping up the facade and decided to finally let the rotten edifice collapse.

Want someone to blame for the current Trump term? Blame Biden for appointing Merrick fucking Garland. And it’s clear that even now, the Democratic leadership hasn’t learned a damn thing. The Democratic Party needs to be burned to ashes. It is irredeemable.

That would be even more damning for Kamala.

Exactly. Kamala isn’t facing AIPAC anymore. She’s not running for office. She faces literally zero downside in publicly condemning the idea. Since she isn’t condemning it now, why would anyone assume she would do it if she were currently president, when the pressures against her would be much higher?

What evidence do you have that Kamala would have opposed this idea as president? Has she released any recent statement condemning the idea? It’s actually a lot easier for her to do so now than it would have been with her as president. She’s a private citizen now; she need not fear AIPAC campaign dollars. She need not fear offending Biden. She’s not lifting a finger to condemn the idea now, when she faces zero downside in doing so. What makes you think she would have opposed it as president?

Sure, Trump is a lot more vocal in his support of ethnic cleansing than Kamala would have been. But I think Kamala would have simply looked the other way and refused to intervene if Israel attempted it. I see zero indication in her actual behavior that she would have intervened if she was currently president.

80% of Israelis support ethnic cleansing of Gaza. If they actually attempt it, what makes you think Biden/Kamala would have tried to stop it?

I think the only difference is that Trump would cheer on the cleansing while Kamala would have tut tutted about it.

Kamala isn’t dead. She hasn’t fallen off the face of the Earth. Has she released any statement even now condemning the idea? She doesn’t even have to fear AIPAC anymore. She has nothing to lose in condemning the idea. If she won’t even release a statement condemning it now, what makes you think she would have lifted a finger to prevent it if she had been elected?

That was the whole point of the uncommitted movement. The only difference between Trump and Kamala’s Israel policy is that Trump vocally supports war crimes, while Kamala quietly supports them.

Well, typically how it works is that it’s an alternative to renting a piece of farmland in cash. Instead of paying the land owner in cash, you pay them in a portion of your harvest. /s

Why prop it up? Tear that thing down and recycle it. There’s good old growth wood in those old barns!

And I propose jail time for Senator Hawley. Specifically, life without parole for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election results.

You know what? Fuck it. Let’s go back to 19th century rules. We’ll have open unlimited immigration, but in a very annoying fashion.

First, we’ll reopen and expand the Ellis Island facility. We’ll let anyone without a serious criminal record in, but all immigrants have to go through Ellis Island.

Second, no more plane travel. That’s just too damn easy. You have to come here by boat. And we’ll require they be slow boats that take at least a month to cross the ocean. Also we’ll set a minimum ticket price to whatever the inflation-adjusted value of a steerage ticket was on a passenger liner c. 1910.

We’ll turn immigration from a criminally regulated matter into what amounts to an international hazing ritual. We’ll let anyone who wants in, but you got to prove you really want it by putting up with a whole lot of pointless bullshit first.

Live in Ciudad Juarez and want to move to El Paso? Nah, you’re not just going to be able to walk across the border. You’re going to have to haul your ass down Vera Cruz, book a ticket on a boat, and then spend at least a month fucking around on the ocean until you get to NYC. Then you’ll be let in and can go live in El Paso if you want.

My ancestors came here during the time of open immigration, but they also had to put up with a lot shit in order to do so. We’ll make immigration like joining a fraternity or sorority. We’ll let you in, but we’re going to make you put up with a bunch of pointless and arbitrary crap first.

The US has a lot of beliefs about free speech that have been shown by actual history to not be accurate.

The US has an extremely broad definition of free speech. Even hate speech is legal. In fact, you can actually openly run for high office on an explicit campaign of literal genocide. You could run for president openly promising as a campaign platform that you are going to open up death camps and kill millions of people. US free speech laws are so broad that unless you are threatening to commit an act of violence outside of the state apparatus, you are completely free to do so.

The theory behind this is always some hand wringing about, “well, if we ban hate speech, who is to define what hate speech is?” Yet, history has shown that this is a slippery slope fallacy. Plenty of advanced democracies, (the US is a primitive democracy), have shown that these fears are unfounded. The same hand wringing that applies to restrictions on hate speech could be applied to any number of crimes we already outlaw. You could equally lament that we can’t possibly fairly define fraud, false advertising, harassment, or any number of crimes that involve a speech component.

The correct response to Koran burning is not simply to burn Bibles, because the Nazis burning Korans clearly know that you’re just trolling them. They’re doing it as an actual attempt at hate and intimidation; you are just doing it for the luls. No one is going to seriously fear that you’re going to start rounding up and putting Christians in camps. But burning Korans is intended to send just that message.

Is it possible that Nazis, if they get power, will wield anti hate speech laws against their adversaries? Sure. But they don’t need anti hate speech laws to do that. Our current Nazi president is already gaining control of the media. For those outlets and platforms he and his allies don’t own outright, he’s getting numerous press outfits to settle spurious lawsuits with no legal basis behind them. Trump, our Nazi president, is already restricting free speech. He didn’t need anti-hate speech laws to do so. Because ultimately Nazis do not care about laws. They’ll simply use threats, intimidation, and blatantly corrupt courts to enact their will regardless of law.

Anti-hate speech laws do not give Nazis any abilities they wouldn’t already possess once in power. Anti-hate speech laws can however greatly assist in preventing Nazis from gaining power in the first place. There is a reason the German constitution, a constitution written by Americans themselves, has anti-hate speech provisions within it.

Well, I got good news at least. I’m officially no longer morally qualified to serve in my nation’s armed forces!

That’s why I said a wild bald eagle!

Exactly. Don’t threaten politicians. Just wish horrible things upon them that are acts no human being could ever carry out. Let God do the dirty work for you. That way it’s not a threat.

Dear Lord in Heaven, please open a sink hole directly beneath the president and his cabinet, and have the Earth swallow them whole, never to be seen again. Bend the earth to your will as if the bowels of Hell itself were reaching up to finally claim their own.

I also recommend wishing lightning strikes, wild animal maulings, and just good old-fashioned heart attacks upon people. I personally think Trump being mauled to death by a wild bald eagle would be an incredibly fitting way for the fat bastard to finally die.

It’s perfectly legal to wish death upon evil men. It’s only a true threat if it’s actionable. And it clearly cannot be actionable if it’s something no human being has any control over.