He’s 19, 4 years younger than me. I played Vanilla when it released and started modding when I was 15. He still plays Skyrim now from time to time and honestly, he knows it better than I do. Does glitches, has full ebony armor, etc. Anyway, I’ve been doing some Xbox modding recently and he has this stupid mentality that mods are “retarded” and ruin the feel of the game, and that the flaws of vanilla are what make it good. Even when I’ve said, “Well you gotta run out of content, so what then? Why not mod?” And his response is essentially just, “It’s not made by Bethesda therefore it’s bad, and it’s not canon so it’s equally bad. Every mod doesn’t fit in Skyrim”. I’ve tried showing him the Inigo mod and explained how much better he is than vanilla followers but he just won’t have it.

I am at a loss. He is missing out on HUNDREDS of new content.

  • SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world
    473·
    1 year ago

    Can I ask exactly why is it bothering you so much that he doesn’t want to play his game the same way you play it?

    Some people are just don’t get bored with having the same content over and over. There is plenty of people just playing games vanilla over and over again, even the first gen pokemon ones.

    • sharpiemarker@feddit.de
      101·
      1 year ago

      Can I ask exactly why is it bothering you so much that he doesn’t want to play his game the same way you play it?

      Bingo

    • Graphine@lemmy.worldOP
      67·
      1 year ago

      Mainly because I feel like he IS missing out. And frankly, his arguments AGAINST mods just don’t make any sense. If he just said, “I enjoy vanilla and that’s all that matters”, then sure. But he was legitimately making arguments against mods.

  • BURN@lemmy.world
    161·
    1 year ago

    Just let people enjoy things?

    Mods are great if you want more than the original gameplay experience, but it sounds like he’s perfectly happy with the base game and is tired of you constantly pushing mods on him. I think it’s great he can enjoy Skyrim without mods. I wish I could, because I end up spending just as long modding the game as I do playing.

    • Lizardking27@lemmy.world
      55·
      1 year ago

      There’s a difference between letting people enjoy things and someone being completely unwilling to even consider trying something new for a myriad of bad reasons. Not saying this is the case here, but I see how OP could see it that way.

      • BURN@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 year ago

        True, but I tend to apply that attitude towards included features. Say if he completely avoided horses like the plague then it’d be unreasonable, but adding on extra content generally doesn’t fall under the umbrella of needing to try for me.

        I see a lot of how I used to be in OP. The experience with mods is arguably objectively better and he may want to share that with someone else, but that someone else has also repeatedly shown that they’re not interested. Even something reasonable to try is no longer reasonable to ask about if someone has repeatedly said no.

  • bright_side_@lemmy.world
    9·
    1 year ago

    On the surface, it sounds like you want to be “right” regarding a mostly subjective topic.

    But if I read you correctly though it annoys you that he is dismissing the fact that mods can actually add to the experience in several, sometimes quite substantial, ways.

    If so, It is not even about the game, huh? It is more about his disability to acknowledge another opinion. I assume it would not urk you as much if he just states that it’s not for him - without strange reasoning like not done by Bethesda, therefore bad.

    However I don’t know your dynamics, maybe he is sick of discussing the case 😜 and if not, maybe you can learn a life lesson here - knowing which fights to take and realising at what point you’re dealing with a lost cause 😊

    • Case@unilem.orgEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Bethesda games serve as a framework in my mind.

      Its like a tech demo saying look at what we did with this engine and tools… The modders turn a game I play once or twice into…

      Wait, lemme math out the combined hours between versions… Over 3k hours. And that’s rookie hours, and some if my time was just pausing the game, going to bed then work, and resuming with steam counting the hours the game was idle but launched.

      Bethesda games are a great foundation to build upon, but modders keep me coming back to it. And buying different versions of the same game.

      Doom, and Eternal are different types of games, developed differently, for different purposes. Never found too many issues in either of those games. Most issues were skill issues, lol.

  • dewritoninja@pawb.social
    83·
    1 year ago

    Anyone who still uses that word is a complete asshole. Just accept that your brother is a lost cause

    • Graphine@lemmy.worldOP
      26·
      1 year ago

      Retarded?

      I mean, maybe it’s because I live in North Texas but on occasion me and close friends will use it when talking about subjects in private. What’s the problem there?

      • hypelightfly@kbin.social
        72·
        1 year ago

        What’s wrong with “retard”? I can only tell you what it means to me and people like me when we hear it. It means that the rest of you are excluding us from your group. We are something that is not like you and something that none of you would ever want to be. We are something outside the “in” group. We are someone that is not your kind. I want you to know that it hurts to be left out here, alone.”
        – John Franklin Stephens, Special Olympics Virginia athlete and Global Messenger

        When saying the R-word, “What we mean is that he is as stupid as someone who is mentally handicapped, and we mean that in the most derogatory sense. The implication is that the only characteristic of mentally handicapped individuals is their stupidity.”
        – Crystal, Stanford, CA

        https://www.spreadtheword.global/resource-archive/r-word-effects

      • BURN@lemmy.world
        73·
        1 year ago

        It’s been a slur for at least a decade now. Same with the F-Slur, it’s just not an acceptable term to use to describe people any longer. The other commenter linked a really good quote about why too.

  • claycle@lemm.ee
    5·
    1 year ago

    I also don’t “believe” in Skyrim modding, at least in terms of mods that fundamentally alter the game.

    However, I do make exceptions for eye-candy and bug-fixing mods. Perhaps start there.

  • Zellith@kbin.social
    41·
    1 year ago

    Show him shlongs of skyrim. If he doesnt understand what mods can bring to the game after that then he never will.

  • Questy@lemmy.world
    3·
    1 year ago

    I don’t know what’s available on the XBox platform, but I would recommend quest and expansion content to introduce people to how mods enrich the game. I would immediately suggest Wyrmstooth, it is an expansion scale mod with dozens of quests, it’s excellently voice acted and slots into the main quest of the base game.

    I would also really recommend installing the latest release from Beyond Skyrim. For players used to the base game and it’s expansions, the content of these mods will show the degree to which the game can be pushed by passionate modders, without stepping away from the lore and feel of the original.

    Once they get their beak wet in content modding, hit them with the soulslike. Darkend and Vigilant are fantastic. While Darkend tells a discreet story, Vigilance is a Souls inspired take on the deep lore of the Elder Scrolls, largely set in Oblivion.

    You could go on and on, there’s so much out there. But that’s what jumps to mind.

  • Cypher@lemmy.world
    41·
    1 year ago

    You can easily just point to Skyrim Special Edition enhanced or whatever they called it, with community made mods that were included in the base game by Bethesda.

    If Bethesda thought mods were good enough to ship as part of the base game… then there really isn’t any arguments for vanilla.