This whole story is the most insane, fucked up thing I have read in years.
Especially the companion story, Hospital bosses ignored months of doctors’ warnings about Lucy Letby. The hospital execs seem almost as callous as the murderer. Holy shit. You have to have some sort of psychological or empathetic disorder as manager or director to fail to act when babies are dying like flies, there is one common factor, and your response isn’t to immediately investigate and take that common factor out of the equation as a safety measure.
They just refused to act for 3 years (where 17 babies died mysteriously or had near-fatal unexplained events in one year) - except silence, threaten and bully the doctor and seven (!) pediatric consultants who repeatedly raised the alarm and called for outside investigation. Since the murderer was removed from the neonatal ward in 2016, there has apparently been 1 baby death. In total, in 7 years.
I don’t know how you would live with yourself knowing that you actively aided a serial killer by refusing to listen to multiple people warning you about them and pleading with you to act.
This is a huge point. They knew. They shushed it up. They need to be all brought to account as well.
Yes, it’s impossible that they didn’t at least entertain the idea that she was guilty with so many incidents and so many people speaking out. And the execs immediate response to that is to… silence the whistleblowers, to maintain the reputation of the hospital. Absolutely repulsive. They come very close to being accessories to the murders, in my opinion.
It has to be Criminal negligence at the very least.
The reviews they themselves commissioned (when they should have gone to the police) said at least 4 deaths should be forensically investigated and they ignored it.
Well in capitalist society daddy business man can do no wrong.
But yeah they should be held criminally respossible and there are laws to prosecute this under, it just won’t happen.
This is the publicly owned and funded NHS, not a business.
The people running this “public” enteprise appear to be acting just vanilla business men 101 tho
Letby put in a formal complaint saying that she was being bullied by the doctors who were complaining about her. A panel upheld her complaint and the doctors had to apologise.
Gah
I think I just found some more people who should be fired
The attitude of the medical director is so British
Some of these chief execs may be corporate psychopaths themselves, and they’d be more interested in arse covering and making sure they’re protected than having external powerful strangers poking thru everything they do.
They just refused to act for 3 years (where 17 babies died mysteriously or had near-fatal unexplained events in one year) - except silence, threaten and bully the doctor and seven (!) pediatric consultants who repeatedly raised the alarm and called for outside investigation. Since the murderer was removed from the neonatal ward in 2016, there has apparently been 1 baby death. In total, in 7 years.
They also made them write and sign a written apology to her.
And try to force them to attend a mediation session with the murderer, actively discourage them from going to the police… Fail to report the baby deaths appropriately to the NHS, fail to do the initial investigation about the first three deaths the executive team had decided on. Fail to present to the board of trustees that the conclusion of two external reviews were that some of the baby deaths should be forensically investigated. Fail to do any investigation. Refuse to reassign the murderer for months while more murders and attempted murders happen, then reassign them into a position where they have access to manipulate the narrative. And additionally order the whistleblowers to cease email communications about the issue…
I think I missed a few things as well, there’s just too many things wrong in this picture.
Yes. It’s a disgusting story from start to finish.
This story is horrendous, most killers seem to gain something from it. But this woman just kills babies for no reason then hates herself for it afterwards. The whole story is just awful, what a terrible person.
Is there any attempt of a transcription of the note? It’s almost impossible to read anything. She’s very obviously unwell, to put it lightly. Still makes me wonder what is going through the heads of people like her in those moments.
Some of them I can’t make out but the green one is readable if you read the left side first (it’s in two columns).
It starts off saying the police think she did it but that’s slander and discrimination, but then turns into admitting she did it and a lot about how she’s a bad person and doesn’t deserve her parents and will never have a family of her own.
Closest she comes to a motive in it is “I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them, I am a horrible evil person.”
I can only read a few words.
Mental illness?
I mean their actual thought processes.
What sane person kills another human being on purpose and without cause?
She’s mentally unwell (to say the least) and she was put in charge of taking care of the most annoying creatures on earth. Not trying to justify her actions or shift the blame somewhere else, but maybe someone should have tested her; just in case she’s a fucking psycho.
the most annoying creatures on earth
Tiny little premature babies annoy you???
Those tiny little 2 pound babies in their incubators being fed through feeding tubes?
I don’t get it, they seem to me like one of the most harmless things on earth.
I can’t say that I’ve followed this case closely, but I have never heard a reason why. Obviously, she’s sick, but how do you do something like this “just because”?
The only thing I can even think is some super fucked up case of Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. That or just pure evil.
I always wonder, how many single-time murderers are there for every serial killer? Like how many nurses, doctors or other people with an opportunity just took and murdered once. How many people might get away with that?
Every serial killer has his first kill … but how many people have a first kill and then think … nah, I’d rather not do that but don’t get caught.
It also makes me wonder, if someone kills let’s say 10 people, by let’s say using lethal gas that remotely releases in all their apartments at the same time.
Does that make them a parallel killer?
What if you killed people, one at a time, all over the universe, travelling from crime scene to crime scene in a space bus? Would you be a universal serial bus killer?
Mass murderer.
Brilliant. I like that a lot. I’m probably gonna steal that.
Do it.
Just to be clear, I mean “steal” the idea of “parallel killer” as joke. I’m a pirate, I steal IP. I’m not going to murder anyone. FBI you can retreat, confirm retreat.
Oh… haha yeah that’s what I meant too. I gave my blessing for you to steal the joke, yeah that’s the ticket!
Boys, call in the MPAA, we got a live one
You do mean the The Motion Picture Association, right? I do know them because they fought South Park, but eventually the approved the movie title “bigger, longer and uncut” … because it wasn’t as offensive as the word “Hell”. (true story and I seriously think they didn’t get it).
Is that the organisation you are threating me with?
Yes siree Bob, and if that don’t do the trick, well… Let me introduce you to a little something called the RIAA. Ya toast now!
Come on!
Don’t let your dreams stay dreams!
This is stupid (not in a you’re a jerk way or anything though). But there is a word for that: “spree killer”
After Nurse Cullen, I’m sure that it is more than people would be comfortable with.
Honestly? I’d bet there are a lot more who get caught after their first then there are who get away with one and then decide never to do it again. Almost every serial killer I’ve ever read about has described the urge to kill as something that increases over time, and that is temporarily relieved by killing but comes back faster and harder after each kill. I suppose there’s natural selection bias against it, but I’ve never heard of anyone who killed once and then was satisfied.
Besides, anyone capable of thinking “I’d rather not get caught” after their first kill was capable of thinking that before their first kill too. I’m not saying it’s impossible as defined, but by it’s nature would be vanishingly rare.
You only read about the ones that get caught though…
Scary how normal this woman looks…
A wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I’ve met so many people from US and Ireland. Jesus! They are sick in the head, I have 9-5 job and behave normal at work. One day I went out with these guys for drink , OMG! I didn’t find them normal after that.
What happened? And why does that redefine every American and Irish person?
Her scrawled note thing looks like the kind of insane ramblings you’d see in a horror game. There is something deeply, disturbingly wrong with that woman and I hope they get a shrink in there to see what the hell it is. Those families deserve to know why someone would do this kind of nightmare shit
Exactly right. We need to root out how this happened if we want to stop it happening again. That would probably include an honest long look at the NHS in general and whatever went on in her mind in particular. It’s never going to be as simple as “this woman’s a monster”. We need to know what impulses she felt and what justifications she told herself, knowing it was the worst kind of wrong. And how did she get into a position where it was possible. The families deserve answers and we all need to know it can’t happen again.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Nurse Lucy Letby has been found guilty of murdering seven babies on a neonatal unit, making her the UK’s most prolific child serial killer in modern times.
She was convicted following a two-year investigation by Cheshire Police into the alarming and unexplained rise in deaths and near-fatal collapses of premature babies at the hospital.
Her defence team argued the deaths and collapses were the result of “serial failures in care” in the unit and she was the victim of a “system that wanted to apportion blame when it failed”.
Senior Crown Prosecutor Pascale Jones said the nurse “did her utmost to conceal her crimes, by varying the ways in which she repeatedly harmed babies in her care”.
The lead consultant at the neonatal unit where Letby worked has told the BBC that hospital bosses failed to investigate allegations against the nurse and tried to silence doctors.
Prior to the government’s announcement, Dr Nigel Scawn, executive medical director from the Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust, said he was “deeply saddened and appalled” at Letby’s crimes.
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Her defence team argued the deaths and collapses were the result of “serial failures in care” in the unit and she was the victim of a “system that wanted to apportion blame when it failed”.
What
Very disgusting and messed up. Wow.
How do people like this even make it far enough to get this type of job?
Nurses are in very high demand and they are umderpaid …
What a sorry state Canada is in when people are hired out of desperation without proper vetting to ensure they are suited to their jobs, even if there is a nurse shortage.
EDIT: Ah thought I was in a Canada community, my mistake. But I guess there are worldwide problems in healthcare these days.
This was in the UK, but yes we have similar problems here. A half-privatised health system.
Seven? Those are amateur numbers…
Edit: linked the wrong Japanese Serial Killing Nurse… Miyuki Ishikawa was investigated for neglecting 84 neonates, indicted for 27 and found guilting of killing 5.
She was only found guilty of seven counts of murder (and 6 counts of attempted murder).
Same with Harold Shipman. Potentially murdered 400+ patients but was only tried for 15, because there wasn’t much to gain by going beyond that.
Er, it’s really not a competition.
Also, those were just the first batch of beyond-reasonable-doubt from the one hospital. She likely killed a lot more.
And then there are the babies who she damaged so badly they are now special needs children.
Burn, cunt.
Stories like these are why I’m not against the death penalty. Yes, I’m aware this wasn’t in the states.
You should be. We might still be wrong about her. Just a few weeks ago it was found that a guy in the UK was convicted and sentenced and served 20 years for a horrific crime he did not commit.
If we had the death sentence here, he would be dead now.I’m sorry I gave you the impression that I gave a shit what you thought of my opinion on the death penalty. Let me be more clear: I Do Not Give A Shit About What You Think.
Am I clear enough?
I’m sorry I have you the impression that I gave a shit what you thought of my opinion on the death penalty. Let me be more clear: I Do Not Give A Shit About What You Think.
Am I clear enough?
Ok…Then why are you posting your opinion on a public forum?
What I think isn’t that important. Do you have anything of any substance to say about what I have written?
Your support for the death penalty is wrong morally, and incorrect rationally. That’s not my opinion, it’s just counting.Hah! You clearly care enough to have posted, and to then tell us you didn’t care.
I care about my opinion, I just don’t care what you think of it.
Find the block button if it hurts you that badly.
No. Fix your spelling and grammar. Then try again.
Edit: he fixed his comment. Good job ⭐️
I mean…the spelling error is gone, but the comment is still FAR from fixed.
Oooh, I misspelled a word.
In 2007 Steven Hayes (now Linda Hayes) and Joshua Komisarjevsky invaded a home in Connecticut, ultimately raping and murdering almost the entire family, including an 11 year old girl. When their death penalty sentences were vacated, they ultimately got away with their crime. The original punishment was appropriate for that level of evil, and the means should have been gasoline and matches. But if the life of an 11 year old girl is just another statistic to you, then I’m sorry that you think that I am the one with poor morals instead of finding a mirror.
Don’t get it twisted, I agree with you that the death penalty should be continued.
In fact I think they should allow regular people to volunteer to kill people on death row as a way to satiate a primal desire to take a life (but still be able to enjoy a normal place in a peaceful society).
I would not mind using my own guns and volunteer my own time on a weekend to visit a state prison with my own ammo and shoot a convicted pedophile or serial rapist to death, and would feel zero remorse and go back to my normal job the next week.
My point is you are too fucking stupid to proof read your comment or spell correctly, as well as carry a sane conversation online, to justify your opinion here.
You don’t like me, find the block button. There is evil in this world that needs to be excised, but you prefer not to see it.
I never said I didn’t like you, I said you are not smart enough to hold a conversation that is worth the time to read or your effort to bother typing out. You know how to fix this issue, it’s very simple.
Wow you’re a massive cunt
I’m of the mind that death is too good for anyone that should be sentenced to it. They should be made to suffer in an inhumane prison instead. The prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment should be lifted against monsters.
My personal design is would be a 3m stainless steel cube with a waste hole, food dispenser, and a rodent-cage water dispenser. That’s it. No medical treatment, luxuries, sunlight, exercise, distractions, diversions, bedding, or even clothing - not even human interactions. Just leave them in there to rot, and when they die, just hose it out and throw in another monster.
Torture is so so great!!! I love how you’re putting your sickness out there. You’re really leaning into it.
Honestly I will go far enough to openly agree with u/@Etterra
So, there it is. What are you going to to about it?
I’m going to disagree with you. What else would you expect? I could also challenge you to think carefully about the consequences that this kind of policy would have, but I have only a smidgen of hope that you actually would.
Please, by all means I welcome you to challenge my opinion by refuting it here. My mind is not made up, I’m a self-admitted humble idiot who deserves the benefit of the doubt.
What opinion exactly? You’ve only stated that you agree with someone else’s.
If you think that subjecting prisoners of certain crimes to inhumane conditions is a good idea, then it’s a simple refutation: the justice system is not perfect and people who are innocent WILL be subjected to that treatment on occasion, which is unacceptable - a similar argument to the one against capital punishment.
If you want to get into a debate on rehabilitation vs. punishment then that’s another matter.I am not being sarcastic when I say this, but you have convinced me to change my mind with a single simple refutation.
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