Hate to break it to you, but you are also full of Teflon.
And Teflon is also a plastic
Sorry, it’s hard to think with all this plastic in my brain.
Don’t forget the lead and steel.
Rock and stone!!
for Karl!
Steel? 🤔
I think they might be referring to when steel workers were exposed to heavy metals like lead, cadmium, and manganese through their work.
Yeah… Steel wouldn’t be a big deal. It’s mainly iron and carbon, both things that our bodies use.
I came to say this. I have also noticed a strong trend amongst people from each generation for health.
Teflon was introduced in 1938, when my grandfather was 11. In the 1955, when my father was born, is the last time that we have Teflon untainted blood from. At some point between 1955 and 1985 when I was born, Teflon proliferated to the point that it was being found in every blood sample around the world.
So my grandfather lived ~40-50 years without being massively contaminated with Teflon, my father probably got to adulthood, and I have never been without it. Now an anecdotal sample that follows a larger trend. My grandfather is in his 90’s with pretty good health and is still going pretty strong. My father and both of his siblings are in their 60’s-70’s and all have failing health, and I know so few people in my own age range that are actually healthy without autoimmune disease or other systemic issue that I couldn’t fill a high school auditorium with them.
Not saying that there’s nothing wrong with microplastics or PFAS, but keep in mind there’s survival bias at play here.
I have seen the exact opposite as, aside from obesity problems, each generation I’ve seen has had significantly higher life expectancy than the last.
I know multiple people now who have outlived the short life expectancy their health complications in the 80s supposedly gave them. I know a few families who have people living longer than anyone else in their blood line ever has. The heart and lung problems that killed off my grandparents have been dealt with now and my parents and my generation are already outliving them and far healthier at our ages.
This is all thanks to great medical advancement, of course, but the point is this isn’t some dire threat that warrants doom and gloom, but another medical hurdle for us to be aware of and work out like we have all the others.
And they’re all full of microplastics, and we also all have a decent amount of lead.
And animal 'roids AND microplastics
At least the animal 'roids are much more avoidable.
Yes, by either raising your own farm animals, buying dairy and meat products from known and truly eco producers or going vegan. The last option, though, might get you into another category of chemicals and/or GMOs if you don’t carefully select the products and categories based on labeling and nutritional values and knowledge
…or by living in Sweden :)
Guess that’s not really an option for most though, lol
Teflon is so unreactive (by design) that it largely passes right through you.
Scientists are still learning about the effects of PFAS on humans, but studies show these chemicals can harm different systems in the body.
The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry says exposure to PFAS may lead to higher risk for kidney or testicular cancer, increased cholesterol levels, and damage to the liver and immune system.
My hospital sent an email out that for unknown reasons liver disease is on the rise for non drinkers and people without diabetes.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/pfas-forever-chemicals-health-risk-water
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/22/1106863211/the-dangers-of-forever-chemicals
Well it also looks like PFAS is a big group of chemicals, and brand name Teflon now uses a specific version called PTFE which they (can you trust them?) claim is not as bad as PFAS.
But even if that’s true, the production of it still produces tons of known toxic waste.
Ya know… I think my original notion I got from Johnny Harris…. Whom I’ve actually grown a bit skeptical of lately.
I switched over to ceramic pans, specifically the Ayesha Curry ones, but who knows if that will be bad in the future. I tried the Caphalon ceramic and those were horrible. The nonstick pans are bad for you over a certain temperature where it breaks down. There’s an excellent movie called Dark Waters about the original lawsuit and that man is a hero.
You seem to know this so I’ll ask. Are all non stick pans PFAS? If not, how to tell if it’s a good one?
Ceramic pans are non stick as well as properly seasoned cast iron, neither of which uses Teflon.
Yeah teflon is most dangerous for the people manufacturing it, and not really for people using teflon products. It’s not unhealthy to wear a watch with radium dials, but you don’t want to be the lady who painted said dial
The problem is that it’s so inert, it becomes impossible to remove from a contaminated environment or particularly a person’s blood stream.
The amount that inevitably gets caught in your blood will just stay in your body forever, settling down in a critical organ like your brain or kidneys and giving you cancer or some other horrible problem.
Sounds pleasant
We’re running on theory alone here, but if thats true, then its too inert to be reabsorbed by your kidneys and therefore would pass into your urine and leave your body that way. Also how is it causing cancer if it’s inert?
Much more in depth NIH article (go to section 3)
We are definitely NOT in theory territory here, there have been studies and reports of people directly suffering from the effects of PFAS, what we are not clear on is how it’s interacting with our bodies.
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Please stop the ride, I want off
“Good News, Everyone!”
-Climate Change
The Dacia Sandero!
Unfortunately everyone is full of Microplastics and Teflon.
So we won’t decompose or stick to things. Where’s the downside?
Not sticking to things is bad news for Spiderman.
This is terrible news. I’ve wanted to be a spider man since I was a young boy.
That might be the creatures that are evolving to eat plastics.
Now I’m 2x sadder ☹️
Elder millennial here, I get all three! What’s my prize?
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IQ decline and insanity.
At least I have something to blame for my mental issues
You get to be the last generation to own property.
How the hell does an elder millelianal get lead?
Leaded gasoline wasn’t fully phased out in the US until 1996, not sure about other countries. The millennial age bracket starts somewhere around the birth year 1982.
Fun fact: it’s still used in piston aircraft.
Edit: sorry, that’s not very fun.
NASCAR didn’t switch to unleaded gasoline until 2007, and test scores went up in the areas surrounding their racetracks in the following years.
Apparently you can still buy leaded race fuels in the US today, wtf? Ban that shit. I was watching a video yesterday of someone why brought their time-attack racecar to Australia and they had to retune it for unleaded because leaded is banned there. I was blown away they were using leaded fuel in the first place.
1996? The USA is Liberia with money
Yeah look into Liberian history and you’ll understand why
This made me reconsider the foundations of the high crime rates in the neighborhoods nearest the very busy small plane airport in my home town.
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Lead paint was still on the stuff we grew up in. Lead in the plumbing used in our schools, too.
Oh it definitely happens. I’m a young millennial and I have a friend my age who deals with mental issues because he ate lead paint leftover in their old house as a child. Lead was so prevalent at one point that getting rid of it all isn’t as simple as flipping a switch.
Edit: [wasn’t -> isn’t] There does not in fact exist a switch that we can now flip to remove lead. Thanks @Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works.
Is there now a switch to flip for this?
Lmao, unfortunately not. Thanks for catching the typo.
isn’t**
While it wasn’t commonplace in gas in the early 80s, it was still prevalent on a lot of long lasting products, and of course, paint.
I was in my early teens in the 90s when leaded gas was finally banned in the US. Furthermore, lead doesn’t degrade, only slowly disperse. People born in the early 80s still got a hefty dose of lead. Yay us.
At least we dodged asbestos insulation, and only have to deal with it in old construction when we tear down the walls.
Eat a paint chip from any house built before 1978
This sounds like a TikTok challenge.
Don’t forget about asbestos!
Asbestos? Sheeeit, wait until we get to nanostuctures!
Nanostructures? Sheeit, wait until we get to responding to ourselves from another federated service! Wait, what were we talking about?
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I’ve read it’s good for the prostate.
You may be entitled to compensation
You’ll get $9.37 and the lawyers will get $230 billion.
Bless you.
Is Uncle Asbestos coming?
He’ll do asbestos he can to make it!
That’s great-grandpa.
My mother (a boomer) died of an asbestos cancer (one of the better kinds of asbestos deaths) because her mother used asbestos heat spreaders on the stove
Those were asbestos cloth and they slowly disintegrated during use (between the stove and the pans) putting asbestos fibres into the air
I mean it wasn’t banned until the 70s.
It’s still in use in many parts of the world
Russia is the biggest asbestos exporterAnd it used to be Australia.
Everything there is trying to kill you!
Depends on where you live. In some countries it wasn’t banned until the 80s, 90s, or even later.
Great grandparent of these yutes.
Right inside of you (r lungs)
Gen X over here on all three like it was gonna be a party.
Gen Z - radiation and climate change.
Most of gen Z are in their 20s, I thought we counted as the last spiderman :(
The reality is that all 3 are full of micro plastics. And there’s some overlap in the Teflon lead generation. And non stick material is still not all that great.
Really, the only problem we’ve solved kinda is lead, unless you’re poor.
To be fair most people still cook with teflon, albeit PFOA-free, so we’re still actively consuming teflon. And the worst part? You need to use plastic cooking-utensils with teflon pans. And as plastic utensils wear down they shed lots of microplastics straight into your food.
I’m usually very sceptical about things that “might supposedly” be bad for you, but even I refuse to buy any teflon pan and/or plastic cooking utensils. I now use cast iron with steel utensils :D
Nope. Still microplastics.
what radiation?
With how much reddit and lemmy suck up to nuclear energie, I dont doubt that our ground water will be fully poluted with nuclear waste soon
Where would the nuclear waste come from?
Atoms
Atoms decaying *
Pfff. You can’t trust atoms. They make up everything.
Yes, as that is a well known regular occurrence with modern nuclear power plants…
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Radiation? That’s were the lead poisoning comes in handy ;)
Trust me, Microplastics boy. You’re full of those other things too.
Also all three of you are likely full of shit … because your colons are full of cancerous polyps.
Now what does cancerous polyps have to do with my shit levels?
Haha. Shut up, you fuck.
I had those removed, thanks.
Me looking at what our government is doing:
Funding the big corporations that poison us, because so many are anti regulation.
Except of course the regulations against defending ourselves.
The kids are also full of lead but its alot more short term
Jokes on you, my house still has some lead pipes
Jokes on me, my house still has some lead pipes
fix’d that for you.
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Fun fact, Teflon was invented by dupont. And the Wikipedia page is fairly clear on the safety of Teflon being in question. The real concern is who did Dupont pay off to make Teflon a thing?
Teflon is safe in typical use cases.
Here’s a great video from Adam Ragusea: https://youtu.be/5FNNKhVoUu8?si=vXrfusnsGzvXErfn
The real issue is PFAS or PFOA, which are used to help bind Teflon, or other nonstick polymers, to other surfaces. This was all done in the early 1900s, and the likelihood of some conspiracy is low. Especially since they didn’t (and literally couldn’t) know the long term effects of “forever chemicals”.
The real conspiratorial behavior comes AFTER the knowledge that PFAS or PFOA are harmful, and what actions, or inactions, of the companies and government are taken.
Remember there are people in our government (not all, but enough) who actively want LESS government: less regulation, less taxation, leas oversight. AND there are a vast quantity of companies that want the very same thing: unfettered freedom to do whatever the fuck they want, without consequence.
And that handful of government employees will easily be bribed or influenced by special interest lobby groups, businesses, “think tanks”, etc. (funded and/or founded by the aforementioned businesses).
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Getting a NEW Teflon pan is less than ideal, and should be avoided. You can keep the one you have, and keep using it until the nonstick properties degrade, then toss it.A great video about this from MinuteFood: https://youtu.be/R1hbV3EzOD4?si=bQZAQsRWLgX9dyJX
And the associated MinuteEarth video: https://youtu.be/H3aFzQdWQTg?si=bVIBp4tm_uLi7ScQ
Just cook with stainless steel, learn to cook by mixing butter and olive oil, treating the pan right and it’ll act just like teflon
Just don’t throw away your Teflon pan “because”. It’s totally okay to use it on normal use cases. But absolutely avoid buying a new one when the time comes.
You’re still eating all the degraded teflon until the pan becomes unusable
It mostly passes thru you
Cast iron gang checking in
A small correction of the chemical nature, Teflon is PTFE (Polytetrafluoroethylene), which belongs to the class PFAS (Per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances).
PFOA (Perfluorooctanoic acid) also belongs to the same class, PFAS.
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Leaded addons for fuel was invented by the same guy who invented freon as pressure gas in aerosols and airco making a hole in the ozon layer. He fucked us twice
