The proposal comes following Netanyahu’s rejection of a Hamas offer that sought an end to the war in return for the release of the remaining hostages.

The Israeli government has offered a new proposal to Hamas that would see a two-month ceasefire in return for the release of Israeli hostages, after rebuffing a Hamas offer.

The proposal was given to Egyptian and Qatari mediators following the approval by the Israeli war cabinet ten days prior, according to Israeli officials speaking to Axios.

It is also unknown if any of the over 6,000 Palestinians that have been detained by the Israeli military since 7 October from the occupied West Bank will be included in the deal.

Some 250 hostages were taken during Hamas’ attack on Israel on 7 October, with 130 being released during a one-week ceasefire in November.

Families of the Israeli hostages have ramped up calls for their release, with protests occurring outside Netanyahu’s house and inside the Israeli Knesset on Sunday.

UN agencies have repeatedly called for a ceasefire for an increase in humanitarian aid into Gaza, as UNRWA reports that 570,000 people face catastrophic hunger in the enclave.

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    Are you trying to suggest that Israel is not doing genocide against the Palestinians?

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      I don’t think Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. Israel is trying to take out Hamas, but Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields.

      That is their strategy. Hamas spent 15 years digging in to Gaza, including under hospitals. Then they commit an extremely provocative atrocity, using rape as a weapon of terror, which was guaranteed to rile up the Israelis for war. Just like Osama bin Laden did to the Americans. And then the Hamas leadership flees to Qatar where they can watch the chaos unfold. It’s diabolical. But it has been done before.

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        What about the west bank? What about the fact that Gaza is basically an open air prison?

        Israel forces are also using the Palestinian people as human shields.

        Hamas is obviously terrible but so is Israel.

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          What about…what about…whataboutism.

          You didn’t address a single one of my points. I’m not going to defend Israeli expansion of settlements in the West Bank. That is obviously a bad faith move on the part of the Israeli right wing and Jewish fanatics. Gaza being an “open air prison”…well, Gaza is that way because of Hamas. Israel distrusts Hamas for good reason. October 7 was just like 9/11 and was calculated to be that way.

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            That wasn’t what-aboutism, as it wasn’t a distraction to a separate topic. It was a list of items that are potential examples of the topic.

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            You’d think if they mistrusted Hamas, they’d stop funding them…its almost like they see a benefit to dealing with a terrorist organization instead of the PLA.

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              Yes, you are right. If Netanyahu funded Hamas as a cynical way to make peace LESS likely, he is a bastard. I mean, he’s a bastard anyway for lots of reasons, but I agree with you. Netanyahu and his crazy right wing regime need to go. We definitely need regime change in both Israel and Gaza, preferably at the ballot box.

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            Okay, you’re right. I didn’t read the comment that way the first time around, but I see what you’re saying. The settlements in the West Bank could, arguably, be seen as evidence of creeping genocide. I think there is a better explanation for the situation in Gaza, though.

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        I don’t think Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. Israel is trying to take out Hamas, but Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields.

        That is the narrative that the zionists and their colonialists allies propose. It’s more appropriate to call it propaganda. It is crucial to believe this because otherwise the mass killing of civilians and children turns into the Genocide that it is.

        Check out an Amnesty International article:

        Gaza: At EU Foreign Affairs Council, Ministers should call for an immediate ceasefire - 22 January 2024

        Amnesty International concurs that there are worrying signs of genocide in the occupied Gaza Strip due to:

        The staggering scale of death and destruction with 24,000+ Palestinians killed during the course of Israel’s relentless attacks on the occupied Gaza Strip;

        The deliberate depriving of adequate food, water, medical care and humanitarian assistance to the civilian population through an almost total siege by Israel, putting the survival of those within Gaza at risk;

        A spike in dehumanizing and racist rhetoric against Palestinians by multiple Israeli government and military officials;

        A long history of discrimination and oppression of Palestinians, including Israel’s system of apartheid against Palestinians.

        And an older one from the United Nations article that calls things as they are:

        Gaza: UN experts call on international community to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people 16 November 2023

        Grave violations committed by Israel against Palestinians in the aftermath of 7 October, particularly in Gaza, point to a genocide in the making, UN experts said today. They illustrated evidence of increasing genocidal incitement, overt intent to “destroy the Palestinian people under occupation”, loud calls for a ‘second Nakba’ in Gaza and the rest of the occupied Palestinian territory, and the use of powerful weaponry with inherently indiscriminate impacts, resulting in a colossal death toll and destruction of life-sustaining infrastructure.
        (…)

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          I’m am aware that some people call Israel’s actions in Gaza genocide. The crucial missing element, though, is intent. If Israel was intent on actually genociding the Palestinians, far more Gazans would be dead, and Israel would also be killing Palestinians in Israel proper and the West Bank. If, however, Israel’s intent is to root out a well-entrenched terrorist group hiding in the civilian population, it would be look pretty much exactly like the current situation. Are Israel’s actions in Gaza perfect? No. But they are more consistent with a difficult rooting out operation than genocide. In my opinion.

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            You’re trying to suggest killing civilians through gross indifference to life is somehow better than doing it as an actual goal.

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              Yes, definitely. The laws of war hinge on the difference. Bombs and artillery do not distinguish between combatants and non-combatants, which is why there are always civilians killed in war. And yet, the use of bombs and artillery is not a war crime.

              Now, the principle of proportionality is important here. In the laws of war, the degree of destruction and civilian casualties has to be reasonably proportional to the military objective. For example, to take an extreme example, it would not be generally considered reasonable to knock down a high rise full of civilians just to take out one sniper. That’s why Israel does that roof-knocking thing they do. Each military action has to be evaluated on its merits to determine if it is a war crime. Many of Hamas’s actions have been war crimes (e.g. the use of rape as a weapon of war, hiding combatants among civilians, etc), and I have no doubt that Israel has committed war crimes as well in particular situations. But specific instances of war crimes does not automatically mean they are committing genocide.

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                  Yeah, I guess roof-knocking isn’t feasible during this phase of the war. Hamas certainly is creating moral dilemmas by hiding among civilians.

                  When you step back and look at it objectively, one has to admit that Iran and the various Islamist groups they sponsor, like Hamas, have quite a brilliant strategy. Just as Hamas cannot defeat the IDF militarily, no one can topple the US and the broader West through conventional military means. The only way to win against the West is to exploit the divisions in our society by creating moral dilemmas. Events like 9/11 and October 7 are calculated to goad us into over-reaction, which generates moral dilemmas, and over-extension, which drains our coffers and our will. The US is particularly vulnerable to this strategy because Americans see themselves as exceptional and less susceptible to the forces of history that affect other nations. This is foolish, of course.

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            Nope. The following article is from the famous israeli outlet called Haaretz.

            A Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance

            For over a decade, Netanyahu has lent a hand, in various ways, to the growing military and political power of Hamas. Netanyahu is the one who turned Hamas from a terror organization with few resources into a semi-state body.

            [edit: I shorten the quote cause actually this is the wrong article in relation to how Israel helped the creation of Hamas. Please see comment bellow with 3 links for relevant info.]