Was just talking at dinner with family, and it seems a logical action to ban circumcision, as in most cases, doesn’t have consent, and is a major (genitals are important) body modification. Can we ban it at the state level? Just a thought.

  • Shirasho@lemmings.world
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    10 months ago

    There is scientific evidence that circumcision results in the area being cleaner and easier to maintain. I’m not denying it is child mutilation, but you also shouldn’t just sweep it under the rug as religious bullshittery.

    • Baggins [he/him]@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      10 months ago

      If god wanted my parents to cut part of my dick off why did she put it there in the first place? Are you saying god made a mistake?

      • frickineh@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        Maybe it was on purpose. The Abrahamic god is a sadist who apparently fucking loves killing and maiming people, so maybe he was like, “yoooo, you know what would be funny?” and then convinced a bunch of people they should cut part of their babies’ dicks off.

        • Grass@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          10 months ago

          Wasn’t there also that weird ass bible tale where some dude brought another guy 200 foreskins so he could marry the guy’s daughter? If I don’t have one, at least nobody will kill me and take it from me to give to a potential father in law…

          I still have to give the little fucker a good scrub to not stink though so the cleanliness thing has got to be bull.

    • forrgott@lemm.ee
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      10 months ago

      Honestly such a weak argument. Having helped my uncircumcised son learn to keep himself clean, I can probably say this myth needs to be laid to rest already. It’s just not true.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          10 months ago

          Most cultures in the world don’t circumcise and it doesn’t cause much issue. It’s only the US where it became so common, because the wacko Kellogg had enough money to push his weird ideas, and somehow people still follow it. You should follow his other “preventative” ideas if you think circumcision is such a great idea.

          Here’s a good video to get more ideas from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4ES8mOzYg

        • akakunai@lemmy.ca
          1·
          10 months ago

          No. But, if they were to I reckon if I’d have the dentist look at them and decide what to do then…rather than rip 'em all out preemptively.

          • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
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            10 months ago

            Well one is done precautionary as it doesn’t have any big life altering side effects while removing all your teeth does. I understand your enthusiasm but a little medical knowledge wouldn’t hurt no one. It’s also more difficult to get circ done after growing up.

            • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
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              10 months ago

              Well one is done precautionary as it doesn’t have any big life altering side effects

              I mean, reduced sensation, higher rates of some kinds of sexual difficulty later in life, and like anything that causes pain and stress to a neonate there are signs that it can have long term psychological effects.

              • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
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                10 months ago

                You would only notice it if you get it done after growing up. I don’t understand the logic here. Have you been circumcised?

                • pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  10 months ago

                  Many men lose sensation over the course of their life. Circumcised men seem to be affected by this much more severeley (anecdotal experience).

                  I’m in my mid thirties, circumcised at birth, and feel virtually nothing on my glans. Any form of intimacy that involves my dick is more of a chore than anything else. And no, the problem is not that I wank too often or have some unhealthy porn consumption (pretty much non-existent).

                  Do you think it’s okay to burn a clitoris if the girl hasn’t had sex before? Can we blind babies because they will never know what they have lost?

                  Can we violate anyone’s bodily autonomy as long as they will not remember what life was like before the violation?

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
      1·
      10 months ago

      It’s not really about the evidence though.

      45 years ago my parents genuinely thought they were doing the right thing by asking the Dr to circumcise me.

      They weren’t great at critical thinking and have made numerous poor decisions in their lives as a result of vibe-based reasoning.

      You can say I was “mutilated” if you like, but I don’t feel like a victim.

      My parents also supported my education, where I learned to be skeptical, and challenge my preconceptions.

      As a result, I didn’t have my son circumcised.

      • Jojo@lemm.ee
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        10 months ago

        So, yeah. To paraphrase, “When reviewed by people without the same clear and obvious cultural bias, circumcision only conclusively provides an incredibly marginal benefit, with evidence lacking for other supposed (and still very marginal) benefits.”

    • Neuromancer@lemm.ee
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      10 months ago

      Not just cleaner but you are also less prone to certain infections. I am circumcised, but it was done as a child. Knowing what I know now, I am glad since it decreases the risk for certain cancers and infections.