• Heresy_generator@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    So… “federation” without control? What’s the point?

    They stress that a difference between their federation and ActivityPub is that on ActivityPub “your “instance”, or server, determines your community, so your experience depends on which server you join” while for them “On Bluesky, your experience is based on what feeds and accounts you follow, and you can always participate in the global conversation (e.g. breaking news, viral posts, and algorithmic feeds).” and “Moderation on Bluesky is not tied to your server, like it is on Mastodon. Defederation, a way of addressing moderation issues in Mastodon by disconnecting servers, is not as relevant on Bluesky because there are other layers to the system.”

    The big difference is that I can’t choose an instance that blocks/does not interact with the servers loaded with Nazis, terrorists, and/or child abusers? Why the hell is it of such paramount importance to Jack Dorsey that the rest of us are forced to interact with Nazis?

    • Nix@merv.news
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      11 months ago

      ? You can block the entire nazi server and you will essentially be defederates from it without relying on your servers admins to do it. This makes it easier to block nazis?

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        11 months ago

        So every new user needs to block all the nazi servers themselves before they get a non-nazi feed?

        The whole point of joining a server that defederates nasty stuff for you is that you delegate that responsibility to someone you trust to handle moderation for you. Just like you trust community mods or the admins of your instance on Lemmy.

        • cassie 🐺@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          11 months ago

          To be fair, Bluesky does have “blocklists” maintained by other users that you can opt into, and quite a few popular ones exist with active maintainers who take and act on reports pretty quickly. So you still can delegate moderation responsibilities. One advantage to this is that you can opt into a few blocklists based on what you personally want to block - separate lists exist for hateful bigots, crypto pushers, and so on. I gave it a shot out of curiosity and haven’t run into any issues yet, but that’s just me.

          I still prefer Mastodon for broader AP integration, and I think blocklists aren’t discoverable enough outside of word of mouth, but I am curious to see how that turns out for Bluesky. Certainly an improvement over Xitter imo.

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      11 months ago

      Tbf from the short time I’ve been on bluesky it seems like their algorithms are very good, I have followed the people I’m interested in and seen 0 nazi posts so far

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        11 months ago

        This highlights an interesting point:

        IF a platform hosts terrorism { white-supremacism, islamist supremacism, male-supremacism with its beloved domestic-violence “enforcement”, communist-party machiavellianism, fascist machiavellianism, moneyarchist machiavellianism, etc. }…

        and is able to hide that from the “majority”

        THEN they’re doing good for the world, aren’t they?


        Hiding one’s evils isn’t what “doing good” means.

        Not enforcing evil, is what doing good means.


        Humankind’ll walk, willingly, into its own slaughterhouse, for sake of the lollipops humankind’s fed by the manipulators of the world.

        That has been going-on for centuries.

        Nothing’s magically changing, surprise, surprise.

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