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“Now we really, really don’t want to mark r/pics as being NSFW,” reads the post. “Doing so would mean that we were no longer discoverable, that we would no longer show up in Reddit’s main feeds, and that millions of people would be deprived of John Oliver’s presence on their screens. It would also have the effect of keeping Reddit from showing advertisements alongside our posts, which we feel would be unfair.”
The wording of this post is key, as Reddit has reportedly stepped in previously to remove mods for marking their communities NSFW as a form of protest. “r/pics will not be made NSFW as a form of protest,” reads the post in r/pics. “Any such change will be enacted in order to comply with Reddit’s policies. If Reddit were to remove moderators from r/pics, that action would go against their own publicly affirmed guidelines.”
I have to say, this is actually hilarious. Sure, the admins will step in and switch them with someone else. But the current mods are doing this in the most hypocritically innocent way possible. Acting stupid and being a nuisance is the best way to get under someone’s skin.
They wanted malicious compliance they got malicious compliance.
The beauty of this is the pendatic fixation on the definition of profanity. Sure, no one is going to think OMG is profanity but it means the definition.
This is brilliant! I can’t bring myself to go back, even to visit, as I only use mobile and refuse to use that shitty app. But it’s great to hear people are fighting back.
If I hadn’t deleted myself off the site, I’d go and write the worst, most cringy, NSFW worthy John Oliver fanfiction that my brain could produce.
The one shame of leaving entirely is I can’t do that and won’t go back on my principles.
Feel free to write and post here. Some of us would still be interested in reading it. At least while we wait out beanpocalypse
Or you can replace beanpocalypse with johnpocalypse!
Much like a train wreck, part of me wants to see that. But I also know that like a train wreck, I’d turn away as soon as it was actually in front of me
If, for whatever reason, you actually want to do this. I’ll be happy to post it and credit your Lemmy account. I emptied my account, no comments or posts. And I will happily leave the worst john oliver fanfic on there.
I haven’t looked into the reason for it at all but rif still seems to be loading the site in anonymous mode. I guess that makes sense, as without my user account, rif is basically just a different way of packaging up the content, like RES, but for mobile.
All this to say that if you only want a visit, it might be possible to do so with one of your old apps, you just wouldn’t be able to participate in any way. 🤷♂️
Five gets you ten that Reddit will purge the moderators, get lackeys into the mod positions, do a content prune to get rid of NSFW-ish posts and comments, then try to bring it back as “business as usual”.
Reddit has already demonstrated that they have no problem breaking their own rules.
r/interestingasfuck is still unmoderated and it doesn’t look like that’s gonna change any time soon. I doubt they have anyone to take over that many subs
I doubt they have anyone to take over that many subs
They don’t. Even if people step in, new mods aren’t as motivated as the mods that were dismissed.
Imagine that, it takes an army to keep the peace. And they had an unpaid one working around the clock for them. Reddit didn’t shoot themselves in the foot, they blew the whole leg off
That’s what those “mods are nazis” types don’t understand. Sure some mods are power tripping assholes, but most of them aren’t and are passionate about their communities.
Many who volunteer for the job also don’t stay long because of the work it entails, in addition to being called a nazi when some dumbfuck clearly breaks the rules and then harasses you for it.
My mod friends from my country’s subreddit stepped down because they didn’t want the abuse anymore after banning many racist and homophobic assholes. They all targeted their (the mod’s) username and made threads stalking all their activity and mass downvoting everything they did.
This is indeed an important aspect as well.
There’s a group of people that somehow feels hurt on a personal level because their account got banned and as a result now oppose any protest from moderators on Reddit.
It’s the same people that think they can moderate themselves, but yes, they’ll find it it’s hard work with people disagreeing with them whatever they do as a moderator.
Wait, doesn’t reddit remove subs that are considered unmoderated?
They archived interestingasfuck, so there are no new submissions. But based on the later posts, it looked like they might have left it an unmoderated free for all for a bit.
Yes, but Reddit has been using the term to mean whatever they want to remove moderators from protesting subs.
It’s pretty clear that the dont believe anything they say. The breaking point for me was when spez started talking about voting on moderators, a change that is absolutely impossible to practically achieve if you think about it for even a minute. They are just saying and doing whatever they want because they plan on selling the scorched earth anyway.
Thing is, finding great moderators (free dedicated and skilled labor) is not easy. Many people will take on the opportunity but many of them will give up in 7 days. It’s a chore, and a thankless one.
Here are the r/Pics mods comments.
##Well, I’ll be damned: r/PICS is NSFW now.
Hello yet again, /r/PICS!
A week ago, we asked everyone to refrain from offering anything NSFW in non-NSFW threads. This request was made in order to adhere to Reddit’s policies, which state that “content that contains nudity, pornography, or profanity […] should be tagged as NSFW.” Similar polices mandate that we are expected to “ensure people have predictable experiences on Reddit by properly labeling content […] that is graphic, sexually-explicit [sic], or offensive.”
Now, some people managed to restrain themselves by offering only vulgarity – terms like “shit” or “TikTok influencer” – which was great: The aforementioned policies do not say anything about vulgarity, after all, suggesting that Reddit views sentences like “That fucking choad is such a shit-headed, ass-piss-guzzling cunt!” as being completely work-safe. Unfortunately, we did also see a lot of profanity (which is terminology with religious or blasphemous connotations, like “What the hell was that example?” or “By the bloody nails of the cross, I hereby curse thee to ‘make a joyful noise’ whenever thou art proximate to one whose favor thou might seek!”). Moreover, there was a lot of content that could conceivably have offended someone.
We therefore have no choice but to mark the entire subreddit as being NSFW.
We really, really tried to avoid this. By marking /r/PICS as NSFW, we’re depriving Reddit of advertising revenue, and we feel awful about that: It’s a fast, drastic step that could adversely affect the site as a whole, and it’s being done without any input from our administrative counterparts. We did ask Reddit to communicate with us, but since no response was forthcoming, we’ve been forced to assume that a gargantuan monster has been terrorizing their headquarters. (Why else would they appear to be rushing out lackluster replacements for third-party tools, many of which have proved to be worse than nothing at all?)
Still, whether we’re dealing with an actual monster or just an anachronistic dinosaur, the point is that /r/PICS can’t wait any longer: We simply cannot risk NSFW content showing up in non-NSFW threads, so – in the immortal words of 17th-century philosopher Tuliddle Tulate – “No path remains but that of making the community NSFW… and on an unrelated note, Android-users can still make certain third-party applications work if they follow a few simple steps.”
He was rather ahead of his time.
Anyway, here are some things to keep in mind:
- Gore and pornography are still not allowed in /r/PICS.
- Remain civil toward one another.
- Do not violate the site-wide rules.
- This link directs back to this comment.
- It is normal to experience special feelings while looking at John Oliver.
Thank you for your attention!
You may now resume your regular John-Oliver-posting activities!
##(from 8 days ago) On The State of /r/PICS: Profanity, Offensive Content, and An Open Letter
Hello yet again, /r/PICS!
Things have never looked better (or sexier) here, have they? Honestly, the moderation team was a bit skeptical about only allowing media featuring John Oliver… but that’s what you voted for, and we have to admit that you were right to do so!
Unfortunately, it turns out that we overlooked a small problem.
According to Reddit’s policies, “content that contains nudity, pornography, or profanity […] should be tagged as NSFW.” While we did ask the community to tag anything even remotely NSFW, we’ve nonetheless seen a lot of swearing in non-NSFW threads. Since Reddit has officially stated that we are expected to “ensure people have predictable experiences on Reddit by properly labeling content […] that is graphic, sexually-explicit [sic], or offensive,” this democratic approach to tagging is putting the community in jeopardy. Additionally, since a distressingly large number of people have expressed that they are offended by the sight of John Oliver, we are forced to conclude that media featuring the man is regarded by some as “offensive.”
Now, we really, really don’t want to mark /r/PICS as being NSFW. Doing so would mean that we were no longer discoverable, that we would no longer show up in Reddit’s main feeds, and that millions of people would be deprived of John Oliver’s presence on their screens. It would also have the effect of keeping Reddit from showing advertisements alongside our posts, which we feel would be unfair. (After all, Reddit generously hosts our little community, and we’d hate to adversely affect them by making an immediate, detrimental change to that arrangement.) However, unless things here change, we may have no choice.
We therefore have two simple requests for you:
Please do not use any (a NSFW link follows this parenthetical) profanity in non-NSFW threads.
If you post anything that could possibly offend anyone, please tag it as being NSFW.
As we do not have time to put this to a vote (since Reddit is moving very quickly against communities that it deems to be problematic), we are pleading for all of /r/PICS to behave in a responsible manner. The continued inclusion of profanity or offensive content in non-NSFW threads will leave us with no option but to mark the entire subreddit as NSFW, which – as previously stated – we do not want to do.
Before we sign off, we want to address some potential concerns:
Q: Will making /r/PICS a NSFW subreddit result in the moderators being removed? A: ¯_(ツ)_/¯. Moderators were removed from communities that were “encouraging sexually explicit content,” and some were threatened with removal if they “incorrectly” marked communities as NSFW “as a form of protest.” /r/PICS has always mandated against pornography (and that will remain unchanged), but has allowed tasteful nudity, profanity, and content that might be defined as “offensive.” Therefore, /r/PICS will not be made NSFW as a form of protest: Any such change will be enacted in order to comply with Reddit’s policies. If Reddit were to remove moderators from /r/PICS, that action would go against their own publicly affirmed guidelines.
Q: Wait, is /r/PICS NSFW right now? A: No. We’re just asking that if you have to post something NSFW, please tag it appropriately. Do not post pornography – that rule is unchanged – but ask yourself if you’re offering either profanity or anything that could be construed as “offensive” by anyone.
Q: Can we still post media featuring John Oliver? A: Yes. However, again, please tag all submissions – be they posts or comments – appropriately.
Q: Do you – the moderators – have anything that you’d like to say directly to Reddit’s administrators? A: What an amazingly prescient question! Yes, in fact, we do have something to say. We’ll include it as a comment!
That’s all for now, folks! Thank you for making /r/PICS and Reddit great!
Redditors need to know about the growing community at Lemmy.World and using third party/ web apps. I’m using wefwef and it’s great. Go to Wefwef.app
Let’s kill Reddit
Use other instances as well to load balance
Even obscure instance can view all communities.
- Sign-up to any instance
- Post/comment/lurk in your community interests
- Watch Reddit continue to burn from afar
- Profit!
This! It’s worth browsing around to see if any moderately popular instances are focused on things you enjoy or philosophies you support.
The ONLY reason I have gone back the last couple weeks is to read a couple of the entertaining malicious compliance subs. r/videos mods rock!
Getting rick-rolled in text form was a fun new experience.
No swearing in /pics or they have to mark it nsfw.
Fuck that
That’s the spirit!
Ah, no, swearing is allowed as long as it’s vulgarity, profanity is what requires an NSFW tag. It’s a very important distinction that the Reddit ToS accidentally makes.
So, in conclusion: Fuck -> No NSFW tag. Hell -> Yes NSFW tag.
So can’t reddit just change the wording of the ToS?
I mean, they can but it takes time to do that and until they do /r/pics is adhering to the letter of the law (or at least an interpretation of it) while spitting in the face of the spirit of the law.
I’m not sure why everyone thinks the lawyers would get involved. It doesn’t matter what the guidelines technically say. Reddit has already proven to be extremely untrustworthy regarding their mod policy. If the admins want the mods out, the mods will simply be out.
But it sets a nice precedent/roadmap for the people still there even after the new mods (who have pledged fealty to the king) are installed. Countless people will do this until they get banned, hurting Reddit where it counts.
Looks like they had to respond again
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/14rn8zd/the_rpics_moderators_cant_respond_to_reddit/
/u/ModCodeofConduct,
Thank you for your recent message.
We appreciate your concerns regarding /r/PICS being marked as NSFW, and we hope that you will be reassured by our response. In short, the shift in question was not a sudden change, nor is there any risk of users being confused… and most important of all, an abrupt reversion would itself constitute a violation of the site-wide rules that you cited.
On June 16th, 2023, /r/PICS (then /r/Pics) asked its subscribers to vote on the state of the subreddit, and they overwhelmingly decided to feature only “images of John Oliver looking sexy.” On June 20th, 2023, a second poll was held, and it was determined that “any and all media featuring John Oliver” would be allowed. This also precipitated a change in the subreddit’s name from “/r/Pics” to “/r/PICS,” with the latter being an acronym for “Posts Illuminating Comedian’s Sexiness.”
As we moderated /r/PICS, however, we discovered that large amounts of profanity and offensive content – both of which are listed as NSFW by Reddit’s policies – were present in non-NSFW threads. This was problematic, as users expecting work-safe experiences were very likely to encounter non-work-safe material. Rather than abruptly alter our rules without first consulting the community (which would have confused users), we asked on June 26th, 2023 for subscribers to refrain from offering any NSFW content in non-NSFW threads.
We also requested a response from Reddit on that same date.
By July 3rd, 2023, the amount of profanity and offensive content in /r/PICS had not declined, and Reddit had not responded to us. It was publicly announced that we had no choice but to mark the subreddit as being NSFW, so as to adhere to Reddit’s own mandates. It was also made clear that our longstanding rules – rules which should have seen /r/Pics (in any form) being a NSFW community from the get-go – would be unchanged; that neither gore nor pornography would be allowed, but that tasteful nudity, profanity, and “offensive” content would continue to be acceptable. To reiterate, while we do celebrate a British comedian’s undeniable allure, we do not allow anything sexually explicit to be posted.
Our surfaced resources – our sidebar, our rules, our wiki, and our announcements – make all of this exceptionally clear, but since Reddit provides no method by which users can be required to read said resources before participating, the visible marking of /r/PICS as NSFW is vital to establishing reasonable expectations. Furthermore, as Reddit assures its partners that their advertisements will not run alongside profanity or offensive content, the aforementioned marking is also in said partners’ best interests. That same assurance indicates that moderators “set their own standards for conduct and ‘appropriate’ content,” indicating that /r/PICS is solely responsible for determining what is and is not offensive (and policing accordingly). A failure on our part to appropriately list /r/PICS as NSFW would therefore run counter to what advertisers have been told.
We do understand that the shift may have caused some minor issues for Reddit, however, and as we have no desire to harm the platform, we are more than willing to discuss the situation with you. Please respond to our previous request for communication, and we will look forward to exploring productive paths forward. In the meantime, to ensure that /r/PICS is adhering to all of Reddit’s guidelines and requests, we would be happy to revert the NSFW setting, restrict posting, and remove any and all content that could be considered “offensive” by anyone. If this compromise does not meet with your approval, please offer a publicly visible comment in response to our open letter. We understand that you are likely very busy, so we will wait until Friday, July 7th before taking any additional steps.
Now that is how you drop an office politics nuke.
and remove any and all content that could be considered “offensive” by anyone
This is a thing of beauty! An absolutely perfect phrase. Congratulations to whoever coined it.
It’s an interesting move. The only moves are to ban (at least from that sub) all of those users, or to decide that profanity doesn’t merit the NSFW tag.
The first would require a lot of work from the admins (either doing the moderating, or replacing mods until they find some that are willing to take orders on this, for free). The second endangers that sweet, sweet advertising money they want so dearly.
Of course, they could try to wait it out, but that seems unlikely. They’ve already taken extreme action to end the protests.
