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      While I personally don’t, the difference between this and that is that most people here, together as a community, have decided, again together, that they don’t want to federate with Meta apps because of a long history of privacy and other abuses.

      That’s not the same thing as another billionaire pissed off because they are doing exactly what capitalism is “supposed to do”

      Do better or die is the whole philosophy no?

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          Oh boy, everyone should tell those Indian slaves in Dubai. They can’t hold you prisoner guys, it’s not valid if it’s not voluntary, so you can just go home. The capitalists say it’s okay…wait, what? Oh! it was the capitalists who put them there.

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                An innocent person who commits a crime is no longer an innocent person.

                A vegetarian who starts eating meat is no longer a vegetarian.

                A capitalist who enslaves someone is no longer a capitalist.

                I’m so sorry you have trouble with this basic definition, but capitalism is a free market system. Slaves are not free, and that economic relationship is not a free market relationship.

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                From wikipedia:

                Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.[1][2][3][4] Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, price systems, private property, property rights recognition, voluntary exchange, and wage labor.

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                    A definition cannot he said to match or to not match real world conditions.

                    Like if I define a square as a quadrilateral with equal sides, that’s independent (orthogonal, even, pun intended) of whether any quadrilaterals with equal sides are around.

                    I don’t think it makes any sense to talk about whether a definition reflects reality. That’s not really what a definition is. They can’t be true or untrue.

                    Statements are true or untrue, but for a definition the concept of truth or falsity doesn’t make sense.

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        You don’t see the conflict?

        Here it’s a case of hypocrisy, as it’s a conflict between berating someone else for some behavior, and engaging in it ourselves.

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            Or, Musk’s actions could be in line with protecting free speech. I mean, that’s the fear we have of Meta here: that it will destroy this space and silence voices.

            So if (a) Musk claims he’s protecting free speech, and then (b) takes actions consistent with that view, then there’s no opening to make an argument of the form “Must claims X but does Y”, when Y could be interpreted as a manifestation of goal X.

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                Well what I said was:

                • Musk claimed to be working to protect free speech
                • Musk’s actions are consistent with that goal
                • If fighting Meta isn’t consistent with that goal, then why are we fighting Meta?
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                Yeah I don’t think he has a case either. I’m talking about the perceived motivations when his actions are consistent with his stated motivations (for running twitter, the ones mentioned in the comment thread I responded to), as evidenced by our own shared pairing of stated motivations and actions.