“I am Batman.”
“This is also Batman, but smol.”
Why is He not called Batcat?
Clearly, that’s Robin.
You better pet me and my son again and again
Wow this is incredible! I used to have a black and white cat that look very similar, and I also named him Batman!!
He was my childhood cat, he died almost 20 years ago. Maybe he is a reincarnation :). Crazy though. I gotta show this pic to my family…
Edit: I have a cat now named Robin
I also had a black and white cat named Batman. Shortened from Lord Battenberg (cake) man.
neuter your fucking cats
especially neuter your fucking outdoor cats
Cats shouldn’t be outdoors period.
Unless they already been part of the local ecosystem for a thousand years in your country. Then keeping them indoors causes problems instead.
Exactly. One of the most environmentally destructive forces of the modern era (and that’s saying something!). Caused dozens of extinctions.
Though humans are more destructive to their local and remote environments by a faaaaar margin but it is considered a serious crime to go around neutering them.
Not everywhere. Where is it a crime?
Lions: “I’m not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me”
kay…
The kitten could be his nephew, or his first cousin once removed.
That still falls under the “related” term, though.
Yes, that was my (humorous) point. The cat can be related to other cats even if it is neutered.
Are outdoor cats even pets at that point
The people down voting this are troglodytes
People who let cats roam are first class assholes. People who let unfixed cats roam are a threat.
What do you mean by roam ?
Somehow I get downvoted for asking a clarification. Not everybody is a native speaker, I’m not sure what roam means in this context, so I ask. Look at what OP did, they answered my question very clearly and without judgement.
It’s an American thing. Culturally there it’s expected that cats are kept indoors, and that any other view is unacceptable.
Whether they are neutered is another conversation
Thats not universally american. Plenty of people in the states let their cats roam. The problem we have is people who think they are rescuing a cat when really they are stealing someones pet
I mean it’s an American thing to loudly proclaim that if you do anything other than have an indoor cat then you’re an awful person (see original OP of this thread), not appreciating that America is wildly different on this position than pretty much any other country in the world
The problem we have is letting cats roam free, if you don’t want your pet rescued don’t leave it outside
Yeah it must be an American thing, we in the UK let our cats roam freely outside and it’s totally normal to see cats everywhere.
Cats are an invasive species introduced by humans basically everywhere they are.
It’s a vestige of our culture war, where the sanctimonious blame individuals for behaviors that were normal in the recent past, heralding a couple data points as supreme truth, while ignoring their own hypocrisies. In my opinion, if we are so overpopulated with cats and dogs, such that they cannot roam, people should not have cats or dogs. I’d argue that keeping a cat or dog locked up also makes one an asshole.
The road to extinction is pretty well set, so I don’t see the sense in casting ire upon understandable behaviors. Might as well try to get along on the descent, though I get why such a large subset of the population are salty. For the record, I don’t have a pet, because: overshoot.
Cats are an invasive species in North America, they destroy avian wildlife.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall's_wren
Cats belong on leashed walks outside, not cooped up inside all day. Treat them like dogs.
American here. Clearly it’s not a “culturally expected” thing in my neighborhood.
Walk around the neighborhood. Cats are an invasive species. When I was growing up my neighbor had a paintball gun to shoot any cats that wandered into his yard cause they killed the birds at his bird feeder.
They are normally fine around farms and breweries but that’s because they are hunting things like mice that get into grain and such.
Invasive where?
Everyone keeps saying they’re invasive, but like… They’ve been around for thousands of years and were around before we started domesticating them (or they started domesticating us, I guess).
And yes, they kill birds, but then other wild animals also kill other animals.
And yes I realize you’re on .ca so probably Canadian, but my point is, everyone seems to assume everyone on the Internet is North American. Plenty of us live in Europe, where cats are sort of a naturally occurring phenomenon.
Yeah but like most invasive species we brought them to places they dont live naturally. Other than a loose dog not much will even bother a cat in North American cities.
Nothing lives in cities naturally. Cities themselves just aren’t natural.
Where I come from, outdoors cats really don’t have a particularly long shelf life in cities and towns. Either they get hit by a car, or they wander to the forest and find something stronger than them
Cats should be kept indoors, but moreover your neighbor is a piece of shit and I hope he gets what he deserves. Get a super soaker you fucking monster, shooting someone’s pet with something that travels around 200 mph is a bad look. After he baited them at that, I understand that wasn’t his intention but the cats are just living by their basic instincts, it’s not their fault. If he really was interested in stopping them rather than being cruel humane traps are cheap, just do what normal fucking people do, catch it, drive it 5-10mi, and release it somewhere it’s no longer your problem, or drive it to the nearest no kill shelter. But no, can’t be a decent human, it’s more fun to break their ribs and possibly let them slowly internally bleed to death because they committed the crime of wanting to eat.
I’d rat him out for animal cruelty right now if I knew his name and location.
Found the serial killer in training.
Only a serial killer would protect birds?
Most monsters actually think they are the good guy BTW we know its you
heh whooosh.
So how do we know this one is the bad kind or the ok kind?
It’s not the kind of cat, it’s the location
Cool story.
Wait, which part are you questioning? The paintball gun? Or that cats pose a threat to local wildlife? Because one of those has been extensively investigated.
From the article directly cited in the one you posted “Pet cats: should they be kept indoors?”
But the solution isn’t quite that straightforward, says Dr John Bradshaw, who has studied domestic cats since the mid-1980s. “In this country [the UK], the evidence that cats are causing any serious depletion in wildlife populations is pretty flimsy,” he explains. “That’s not to say they aren’t killing things. There are plenty of surveys that show they are. But the long-term effects of that have been difficult to find.”
Most species targeted by domestic cats will have lots of offspring, to counter the expectation that many will die before they reach adulthood.
“Cats aren’t very efficient hunters,” adds Bradshaw. Their prey is most likely already in a poor condition, dead or dying, when they catch it. “Really, focusing on the cat is counterproductive.”
To demonise cats, Bradshaw suggests, would distract from the real dangers to wildlife in the UK: loss of habitats, reduced availability of food and the increased use of pesticides and fertilisers. These threats were identified in the UK’s State of Nature report in 2016, which brought together data from more than 50 different organisations. Though Mittens may not be public enemy number one on our shores, elsewhere in the world cats aren’t off the hook.
The article then goes on to say that it might be more of an issue in the US, but my point is that you can’t say “cat = danger to wildlife” as a universal truth that applies everywhere.
The paintball gun is just wrong.
Both the paintball gun and letting cats roam freely are wrong. Everybody’s an asshole (except the cat, can’t blame them) in this story
Thanks for the link, very enlightening
yes
Sorry, I was being cheeky. I was saying that your story is anecdotal, and doesnt apply to everyone else. It also depends heavily whether the cat is male or female, but thats sort of getting in the weeds. Its okay to both have indoor cats and outdoor cats, there are advantages and disadvantages to both.
I’d imagine if someone were in an area that had a problem with cats killing other species, then they would prohibit outdoor cats to some degree? My area doesnt have this problem from what I can research so I’m not sure on that.
lol this outburst contextualizes your other comments
Outburst seems like a strong word for this.
Very cute, but cats should be neutered, particularly those outdoors and especially the males. Males can roam a fair distance and often only have a short lifespan in suburbia. This just creates an ongoing problem with strays and ferals.
Absolutely. And even if you don’t care that your cat is out there making kittens, it’s important to know that un-neutered males are much more likely to get into fights with other cats. A lot of the nastiest feline diseases spread through fighting, and fights result in injuries that can easily become infected. It’s not unheard of for males to lose eyes (or even whole limbs) to completely avoidable infections.
So neuter your damn cats. It has the potential to extend their lives significantly, and promotes a healthier cat population in general.
and if that’s still not enough of a reason, if they’re neutered before they start to spray they won’t develop that instinct but even if they already spray it won’t smell any more after they’ve been neutered
That look. That perfect f u cat look. “Btw, this guy lives here now, too. Whatcha gonna do about it? Get food, peasant!”
“Hi meet your grandkid”
So the new one’s name is Robin?
Damian. :)
I have a cat named Robin.
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Catwoman
House cats shouldn’t even be outside
Strays who lived outside can’t be house-only cats anymore.
Absolutely they can. Perhaps not all of them but I have lots of first hand evidence that outdoor cats and even feral cats can become happy housecats.
Given every single shelter I’ve ever been to in Germany lists adoption requirements for each cat (one of them if they are a freeroamer or bot, i.e. need outside access) and would not let you adopt a cat if you can’t provide them, with the professionals at the shelter even pointing out that “taking away outside access from a cat can, depending on the cat, amount to factual animal abuse” (roughly translated)… yeah, sorry, but there’s zero chance any anecdote here could convince me.
I’ve already posted an example on another reply. Right now they even got an additional box above the list stating that “most our current cats do not accept being held only indoors” (the green one), given that’s what most people look for. Most of them specifically state “Freigang” (Freeroam) as requirement.
I’ll just have to believe you they are happy? I bet they spend 95% of their day stuck to a window or screen wishing they were outside.
stuck to a window or screen
normal cat behavior.
wishing they were outside.
projection. none of my indoor cats have ever tried to get out despite them all being avid birdwatchers.
Cats are cautious, they won’t just bound outside. It takes a while to get comfortable. Either way though, I’m sure your cats are mostly happy, its not too big a deal either way.
Yes yes, you have an opinion that you are attached to, and nothing is going to sway you. But keep your bullshit rationalizations and psychological bulwarking under your hat; the lies we tell ourselves are not convincing to others.
Maybe youll have to require me, I dont think I said anything that obtuse. I personally let my cat out because keeping her inside was for my benefit, not hers. I could understand people who have a different opinion though, its not cat abuse to keep them indoors.
My last comment was more poking fun at the concept of reading a cats emotions to this degree, but apparently I wasnt very clear about that.
An empathetic owner can tell whether their animal is happy or not.
Both mine were strays and are now happily indoor cats with a catio. It just requires an adjustment period.
I also follow all the local legislation (registration, neutering, etc.). So it can be done and may just depend on how adoption agencies in your state/country function.
Sure they can.
That goes against any knowledge and experiences available, I’ve never seen or heard of a single adoption centre who’d allow it either; if the cat is an outdoor cat they’ll never let you take it unless you can let it out as well, and cats who’re accustomed to a secured balcony or a Catio also require it to be adopted. That’s why it’s important to raise a cat as indoor cat in the first place. Do you have any sort of proof of the opposite?
Adopted a cat that was a stray for 2 years and adoption center encouraged me to keep her as an indoor cat. As she has gotten older I have given her supervised outdoor time as in I am feet away from her at all times but for her first year she pretty happily lived in a studio apt without a balcony and whenever I had to bring her to the car she would get super panicked and nervous from being outside
I’d love to see this cat adoption center that advocates that any cats should be allowed to roam. Sounds pretty sus. Got a link?
Not any cats, but those who’re already accustomed to the outdoors. I’ve been to multiple animal shelters in Germany over the years, all of them had information about if a cat required access to the outdoors to be happy. And that was a requirement for adoption of those cats. You can see it here for example at the Hamburg shelter Süderstraße, the biggest one in the city. Every cat or group of cats has the “Haltungsanforderung” (adoption requirements) mentioned, most of them “Freigang” (“Freeroam”) since they often receive strays and there’re less people in the city who can provide that.
I’ve no clue where the hell you all live or how big your houses usually are, but despite the known heavoc freeroaming cats can cause: if they are freeroamers then, according to the professionals at the shelters I spoke with, suddenly keeping them in an average apartment (i.e. ~60m²) would be almost abuse and they will not let you adopt a cat if the cats individual requirements aren’t met.
And to be clear once more, the shelters don’t advocate for everyone to let their cats out. They advocate and educate so people won’t do it in the first place, BUT if a cat already knows the outside and would go mad inside they respect the animals’ requirements.
Europe is different than north America.
In many ways, yes. Not in the respect of the damage cats do. That’s nutty.
Well every region is different so you can’t entirely generalize. What I meant though is that outdoor cats are defended in Europe by veterinarians, but the opposite can happen in areas of the US. It leads to people arguing back and forth while both are appealing to different authorities, yet referring to them as the same.
False…
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Batboye
