Weirdly intense and antagonistic internet communists.
Like, picture that guy you avoided conversations with when you were 19.
Because, Id wager, their userbase is primarily edgy leftist teenagers, really kind of like if 4chan was left and not right.
They’re so far to the left I don’t even consider them left anymore. They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right (but not racist so much as intensely totalitarian).
Horseshoe theory
Horseshoe theory is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
It’s like 90% a meme
There were no indications that you were joking, I’ll leave my comment up for other people who missed it.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?
I’m saying that both are authoritarian. Both are incompatible with Democracy and the current rules based international order, which when working correctly can prevent genocide from occurring (i.e. if the UN peacekeeping missions actually do their job).
When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?
You are equating them. Read the link from the mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar to understand why that’s holocaust trivialization.
the Bogus moral equivalence of the Holocaust has been from the time of the actual massacres the myth that the Jews were all Communists and got what they deserved because Communism was every bit as genocidal as Nazism. Hence what the Jews call the Holocaust is a kind of opposite and equal reaction to the first genocide, the crimes of Communism.
First of all, this was not what I was implying. I never said that Communists were equally as genocidal as Nazis, nor that I deny that the Holocaust occurred. Putting words in my mouth is arguing in bad faith.
I am saying that the Tankies on the left support the same type of authoritarian policies that are prevalent on the right. While actions like, for example, the Tiananmen square massacre are not as large in scope as the Holocaust, accepting the CCP party line on the issue is antithetical to human rights, just as any massacre is. Supporting authoritarian regimes that do this is, in fact, just as bad regardless of whether the party is “left” or “right”.
Did the Holocaust occur? Yes. Did it result in the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis? Yes. I’m not disputing any of these facts, so please do not suggest that I am denying the Holocaust.
You literally said this
They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right
You are free to retract this. Could you say for me “Communists are in no way morally equivalent to fascists”?
Also to be clear I’m accusing you of trivializing the holocaust not denying the holocaust.
I think it may be referring to the people who blame all social ills on “corporate greed” and think that belong leftist is exclusively being anti-capitalist. I think this may go along with some pro-Putin/pro-Xi viewpoints, possibly because they believe that “the west” is bad and capitalist, Andy anyone who opposes it is anti-capitalist and good.
I’m glad I know who these people are, so I can be more careful of them. Both here and on Reddit it felt like I was trapped in a bubble with these guys.
Tankies are politically incomprehensible, because they claim to be queer-friendly communists, but support insanely queer-phobic bourgeois dictators like Xi and Putin.
They are vulnerable to the same online radicalization as alt-right bubbles. They say things that get increasingly insane, because it gets them more and more internet points and attention, until they start believing their own outrageous hyperbole.
For example, I have one tankie currently trying to unironically argue with me that the UK is a vassal state to the US Empire. Like we’re living in Star wars and he’s the rebel alliance that is bringing down with evil empire with lemmy shitposting.
For example, I have one tankie currently trying to unironically argue with me that the UK is a vassal state to the US Empire.
Why are you posting your Ls lmao
I mean, he’s making the US sound 100x more badass than it actually is. Who’s taking the L there?
Being an empire isn’t badass, it’s just bad.
Bad at losing because you’re a global hegemony that pulls all geopolitical strings.
Yes, that’s bad.
It’s funny to trace rhetoric back a few years before the Russia-Ukraine war, when there was so much Internet and social media hype over Russia as a superpower, their military overtaking America:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Russia military US before%3A2020
Then suddenly there’s the invasion, and suddenly it’s revealed that the hype was all fake, Russia was bluffing on its military, they are mostly poorly trained, with ridiculously outdated equipment.
And suddenly tons of internet media commentators do a massive 180, and there’s so much rhetoric about how being a global superpower is bad.
Is being a global superpower bad, or do people say it’s bad just because Russia isn’t one after all?
I don’t really care about the hexbears either way, the ones I’ve seen haven’t been too bad though I’ve heard there are some really bad ones
What bothers me more is how quick mods seem to be to shut down any discussion about them whatsoever
Went on the Lemmy matrix to ask about them one time and I just got one guy flooding the chat with “you should observe for yourself and form your own opinions”
Yeah it’s such a terrible suggestion, or maybe just like do that?
Who said I wasn’t also doing that? It’s not mutually exclusive, just a quick way to get a read on people’s sentiment towards them and to try to figure out why people shut down discussion about them so consistently
I thought the problem is that we wouldn’t shut up, or are you lying again
Did you reply to the right comment lol this makes zero sense
we do not shut down discussion
You are not a hexbear, nor are you a moderator
If the people shutting down discussions like that are tankies then they’re a damn sight more subtle about it than literally having “Stalinism” in their username
who said i’m trying to be subtle? Its not my style.
I am a hexbear, double passport.
Technically I mod the trans sublemmy on hex, but I have a little music sub on this account too. I dont care too much for it though, its all 1s and 0s.
Ever wanted to be talked down to by a 14 year old alt-right sociopath who pretends to support lgbt so they can stealthily insult liberals and blame western whites for how China is?
Edit; downvote more, at the end of the day you’re still a hexbear 🤢
These accusations specifically are always so wild from you libs. Blue anon through and through.
Donald Trump is a communist.
According to some weird red-brown alliance “patriotic socialists,” “maga communists,” or whatever they’re calling themselves now (The first one was probably way too on the nose). We’re not them though. We even immediately drove one of the main figures behind that cryptofash bullshit out, and now they’re just a semi-regular feature in the dunk tank.
/Edit - May be confusing the drumming out with another far less edgy community and/or the r/CTH days. Folks like that are prolific about trying to wedge their way in. Latter point there still stands though.
Equating fascism with communism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
I’m not equating anything here, Donald j Trump is a communist.
Don’t like it? Shouldn’t have drank all that kool-aid. That’s right, you’re propagandized for disagreeing with me!!1
20 percent of hexbears user base is trans. I dont know why liberals feel so comfortable misgendering all of them when they say shit like this.
Also, because you called them alt right, equating them with the alt right: https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
Any solid proof of that or just self reports?
Do you want to see their genitals or what? This happened way before the exodus and federation.
I’m a trans hexbear user, are you going to accuse me of faking?
No, but trump is a communist and I have loads of proof.
Trump is literally a billionaire, how could he be a communist? and you’re a troll.
Trump is so broke he can’t pay his lawyers and is selling coffee cups with his mugshot on them but, okay? Hopefully he’s in prison one day for all he’s done.
Trump is so broke he can’t pay his lawyers and is selling coffee cups with his mugshot on them but, okay?
This is standard rich asshole stuff. The point is being a billionaire is antithetical to being a communist.
Hopefully he’s in prison one day for all he’s done.
Hopefully he’ll be executed.
We’re just interested to see if there are statistics around that support your claim that
20 percent of hexbears user base is trans.
My B, that’s lemmygrad https://lemmygrad.ml/post/723191?scrollToComments=true
Ask lemmygrad folks whether hexbear or lemmygrad has more trans users. Theyll say hexbear. Lemmygrad doesn’t even have pronouns listed in username as default and they have 20 percent trans users.
Where was the misgendering in that comment?
Literally claiming trans people aren’t actually trans and are just faking it as part of some conspiracy is misgendering.
Trans didn’t even get mentioned in the comment. ಠ_ಠ
“Faking lgbt support” we’re mostly lgbt.
[press “x” to doubt]
Weve all spent three years faking being gay and trans for your amusement, yeah. We even went as far as to code in mandatory pronouns next to display names to own the libs. /s
Imagine being so conspiracy brained that you say such incredibly insulting nonsense.
A lemmy instance full of trolls and people celebrating chinese and russian fascism in the name of socialism
i once read a thread where they were saying to defederate from everyone. then why federate in the first place
Some whine that they did not want federation in the first place and the mods did it without their consent. Slightly ironic considering they do not like democracy (although they claim you can have democracy without voting…somehow).
what the hell are you talking about
every person there will describe their democratic beliefs, all of whom have a voting system with representatives. That is basic leftism. Are you lying or just born a fool?
I think I recall seeing you post calling for the death of other users. Not going to put much stock in what you say.
:D I’m recognized
I call for the death of bigots, not people lol
Everyone you consider a ‘lib.’ Real discerning. /s
Although I’m pretty sure that was your hexbear alt. Don’t you also want to defederate from everyone? Why are you here?
Oh this was an excursion to see my “caught in 4k” glory. Nothing more. I want hexbear out of anyone’s reach, but that does not mean I want you guys out of my reach.
you don’t seem to have an ideology besides repackaged liberalism
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
Have a bunch of them made alts on Lemmy .ml? I feel like this comment section ripe with bears that are on .ml. I suppose being able to make alts is one of the advantages of being decentralized.
removed I’ve been here for 2 years motherfucker, you’re the newbie
A social network that was formed as a fork of lemmy, before lemmy had really entered the fediverse (tho they were planning to). Both Lemmy and Hexbear had communists among their founders, but the Hexbear devs found it more… Central to their objectives. When Lemmy federated, Hexbear didn’t. It planned to initially, but ended up being pretty satisfied of being a small, yet centralized social network, basically a communist Reddit. But the idea of joining the Fediverse appeared tempting once again with the boom that happened on Mastodon when the muskrat ate the bird, and to a greater extent when Reddit changed their API policy and lost a lot of the user’s trust, causing many redditors to move to Lemmy.
Hexbear devs then worked to essentially make it a Lemmy instance, but there were always disagreements about who to federate with. They first federated with Lemmygrad and Lemmy .ml. Lemmy .world quickly blocked them. They temporarily federated with sh .itjust .works, but this wasn’t well received on either side, so this was soon undone.
Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.
They’ve beefed with a few other instances they tried federating with too such as Lemmy.ee and lemmy.blahaj.zone. Their user base tends to be a bit more abrasive than most Lemmy instances, making federation controversial even among similarly minded instances such as lemmy.blahaj.zone
Blahaj zone had a problem with chasers that we did not want in our safespace
What is “chasers”?
straight people being horny for trans people. I love my allies, but I don’t want them that close.
More accurately cis people being horny for trans people in an objectifying way.
There are unfortunately gay chasers.
This is true too
Everything you said was accurate except the pro Russia = tankie stuff. I just want to be able to say that the kulaks deserved and such without being tied to capitalist trash like Putin…
Yeah, I didn’t mean to say that all tankies are pro current Russia, but just that there is a specific type of tankies that is, and these are often the annoying ones.
I’ve actually yet to see anybody you’d call a tankie being pro Putin or pro current Russian government. What people are pro is Russia acting as a counter to NATO and facilitating multipolarity.
I think people are thrown off by anti NATO stance. I almost don’t blame people for confusing NATO opposition for Russia support, especially during on ongoing Russian invasion, which does seem to justify NATO’s existence. Nevermind NATO’s history of imperialist action, people are very tied up in the Ukraine war and are unwilling to cede any ground to anything that may appear even a little soft on Russia.
Right, people are treating it as sports where you have to either cheer for one side or the other.
My issue with hexbearians was that in every single thread I saw them in they would do nothing but whatabout regardless of the context. I understand they may have good points about certain things and to their credit some had very well written and informative comments but most of the time they weren’t directly relevant to the topic. It could be a loud minority but it doesn’t change the fact it’s annoying to see huge threads of whatabout arguments all the time by them.
getting called out for your bullshit on any topic pertains to the discussion, we’ve had problems with all crowds.
You know whataboutism isn’t an actual logical fallacy and was originally used in defense of British colonialism “well the IRA also does bad things” right?
Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.
even the anarchists are pro soviet at least lol, I love my comrades
Think they’re way overhated, yes some of the users can troll a bit too much but they’re generally fine and I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.
I’ll just leave this here https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/2796891
What is wrong with people
They openly brigade submissions and comments on other instances and harass anyone they don’t agree with. It’s not just some of the users it’s almost entirely the point of the community existing. Their comments are almost entirely sarcastic, and add nothing to conversation or even debate.
Feel free to show us one single instance where they “stamped out fascist, racist, [or] anti-trans rhetoric” because I don’t believe you.
harass anyone they don’t agree with.
Can you show an example of why of this? More sounds like you lost an argument.
Ah yes, lost as in they started posting pig shit balls " so lol you lose fucking lib"
Remember, if you having a conversation with someone on the internet and they’re a bigger asshole you lose the conversation!
Thanks for your hexbear intelligence level adjacent conversation lemmygrad
Stuff that really ever happened. Got it.
I honestly have no idea what they stand for. Their posts are so confusing and non coherent. I’m sure a lot of it is because sarcasm doesn’t work with text unless you have context. But without context, all it comes across as is a bunch of trolls who just love to hate
I couldn’t care less about them
They’re a left wing group that uses a lot of sarcasm and trolling. It can be a bit off putting to most but a lot of it comes from the fact that most people don’t bother reading or looking beyond US propaganda so it can be frustrating talking to people like that. Personally I try to come at things a bit more openly but I can understand the frustration of dealing with people that don’t put in much effort to understand the nuances of geopolitical topics.
A large part of it is a fanbase of Chapo Trap House which has a particular brand of humor that is rampant with esoteric inside jokes that are vulgar as a point, let alone to the extreme.
That humor, especially without that frame of reference, usually offends your average internet denizen.
Hexbear is also filled with authoritarians which isn’t very funny but still offensive
You have the politics of a slug
Its a 6 sided bear, the peak of the polygonal phylogeny.
Monomouse
Duodugong
Traye-aye
Quadferret
Pentacoyote
Hexbear
Heptaherpeton - this is the furthest we’ve discovered in the polygonal phylogeny but research indicates the likely existence of an octorca as well
Octoria are scientifically impossible, the grazing territory requirements alone for a sustainable breeding colony would be immense. Any reports of them in the wild are either misidentified pairs of quadferrets copulating, or hoaxes perpetuating the psuedoscience.
quadferrets copulating
That’s where you’re messing up. Those are pentacoyotes, not quadferrets. The contact side between two polygonimals mating is actually obscured, so the actual number of sides in a copulation configuration is the sum of the sides of all involved polygonimals - 2. Therefore the octorca could not be two mating quadferrets, but could be two pentacoyotes, or a chain of duodugongs.
Wtf are you guys talking about
Polygonal phylogeny
Yes, googling offers nothing, but I’m probably just being goofed on
Try the Polygoogle. The regular non-euclidian google has a history of censorship when it comes to polygonal phylogeny
I didn’t even think to recommend Poogle. Thank you!
snarky know-it-alls that believe that they possess the most advanced political analysis derived almost exclusively from parroting reddit comments which have slowly turned their brains into velveeta
but anyway, enough about Lemmitors.
Hexbears are actually a nice bunch if you read through the comments on the current megathread. They just have very little tolerance for self-satisfied libs that congratulate themselves for thumping the Washington consensus-approved ideologies that most of hexbear graduated from years ago. Even I find it difficult to read lemmy comments because they’re legitimately what I would’ve written as a teenage redditor in the late 2000s.
They’re just fascists LARPing as socialists. They’re not taking down the man. They’re supporting the man, just that the man they’re supporting is oppressing people in another country. They’re either working for an oppressive government or they’re privileged white kids that think their internet image matters more than the hardships of people in the oppressive countries the support.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
You sound like hexbear LOL. “Anyone that disagrees with me is racist!”
Meanwhile Russians and Chinese people are living under oppressive fascist regimes and privileged white kids support that because their contrarianism made them support fascism.
I mean, I’m saying what youre doing is holocaust trivialization but I also linked a literal mainstream Jewish holocaust expert saying the same thing.
Meanwhile Russians and Chinese people are living under oppressive fascist regimes and privileged white kid
Let me stop you right there. China’s government has more than a 90 percent approval rate according to international pollsters. The concept of whole process peoples democracy comes from China. China is more democratic than your country.
Left-wing social site (might be fedi, never bothered checking) for leftists who are way too edgy for mainstream leftist communities.
Rather than edgy, they are straight up tankies (aka, russia and URSS apologists)
Glory to the Soviet Union
They’ll never forgive them for liberating Europe
Edge lords who couldn’t handle someone telling them they were wrong, so they had big sook and defedederated after a day.
.world did first you lying scum
Didn’t .world preemptively defenderate from them?
People who think being a jackass is a form of activism. That’s all you really need to know.
Uh hello, it’s called jacktivism.
I have seen so many thread saying how bad that instance is but every time I ask for links proving how bad they are I have never see anything worth the hate.
Can you provide some examples?
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1854795
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?
Part of the drama with that incident included hexbear folks straight up saying “I thought the whole point of federating with other instances was so that we could dunk on liberals”. Majority of folks on hexbear did not see any issues with the behavior of their members on this post.
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?
if you consider this a flood imma be real with you, you are very new to the internet
Lol, that’s because the mods of said threads already had to delete all the bullshit they posted once they “accidentally found this on all” and then descent on it like locusts (but they’re totally not brigading!!!1!)
Here’s one of their mods:
and guess what
Kill yourself, bigots. I will not be civil to those who view me as lesser. I view you as lowly as you do me.
SJW is shit just works in this context. Also yeah, do you expect her to be civil to bigots?
I have never see anything worth the hate.
You just have a very high tolerance for jackassery. You’ve seen plenty of evidence of hexbear hostility, i.e. the “dunk tank” that would justify not wanting to interact with hexbear users and have actively chosen to disregard it.
This is because you’re kind of a jackass. Disregarding people engaging in good faith with “just trust me bro” is exactly the kind of thing people really hate hexbear users for. Not because of illegal activity or moral failing, but because they’re assholes. While you may think this isn’t worth de-federation, unfortunately moderators aren’t some kind of legal authority, and if federating with hexbear means instance admins or community moderators need to put in triple the work to prune all the arguments and “”“shitposting”“” hexbear users love, nobody is legally or morally required to put up with it.
It’s legitimately that simple. Hexbear users are jerks and nobody wants to hang out with them, and that’s enough to ban them from any given community or instance.
Best point I’ve read made here.
I’m also probably kind if a jackass, because hex bear doesn’t bother me. Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No. So I just don’t interact. The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
Because they’re done. They’re a man or woman now, and apparently treating them as such means I’m a bigot.
This isn’t defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people. This is the exact type of behavior conservatives want you to think of when they say “trans people bad”.
I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
thats bigoted you fucking godless removed
I would love to put the entire imperial core in a giant fucking prison and re-educate all of you into communists. Its my favorite fantasy.
The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
It’s not really genuine though. They lightly elevate trump above all other presidents despite his history of attacking LGBTQ rights: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/09/trumps-record-lgbtq-rights-vile-moment-took-office-kept-list/
It’s just a political angle to get support from people who feel isolated away from other political movements.
Lol what, who on hexbear is elevating trump, this is a hilarious take.
Also just gonna leave this here https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
we think its funny that libs are mad at realizing the system is shit, so obviously we are the only ideology in existence besides democrat= a republican
Here FaeDrifter is again saying this shit.
A HUGE PORTION OF HEXBEAR IS TRANS. OVER HALF THE MODS ARE TRANS. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THREE YEARS PRIOR TO FEDERATION. FAE, PEOPLE HAVE POINTED THIS OUT TO YOU BEFORE. PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.
See @HornyOnMain@lemmy.ml in this very thread:
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3504748
We’ve never “pretended to support lgbt”, why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we’d spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we’re impersonating even take issue with that?
Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out !traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net or !anti_cishet_aktion@hexbear.net or !transenby_liberation@hexbear.net and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
Identiy politics is so silly. It’s possible for a black person to support systemic racism, it’s possible for a Jewish person to support Nazi’s, it’s possible for LGBTQ people to support anti-LGBTQ politicians. Case in point - Jessica Watkins.
“I am x-identity” is lazy, superficial, irrelevant.
I don’t think anyone is lying about their identity. I do fully expect that the trans men and women of Hexbear would throw their LGBTQ brothers and sisters in front of a firing squad if it meant a chance at a bloody revolution over the bourgeois.
But THEY DON’T SUPPORT THOSE THINGS! YOU’RE MAKING SHIT UP. THIS IS EASY TO SEE IF YOU GO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT FASCISTS AND TRANSPHOBES. YOU HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR AT LEAST A FUCKING WEEK NOW.
Why would we treat you bigoted removed with any sort of dignity. You do not own the right to my respect, we give it to those who earn it.
