Good to know, but sad that it has to be said.
Ok sure, but how much of the game will actually be generated by dolphins?
This will probably be just another example of HUMAN appropriation when plenty of dolphin developers are struggling to even find work in this industry. Maybe when dolphins are literally the subject matter of the game we could consider inclusivity in its development?
#dolphin_life #Phins_In_Gaming #NotMyEcco
Look buddy, I don’t give a single fuck about your #EccoFascist bullshit.
#AdolfPhin #PhinLivesMatterToo #NotAllPhins #ReleaseTheEccosteinFiles
In the original game I’m sure you had to be a dolphin to beat the first level
You know, I recall playing this at a friend’s house decades ago and being totally, utterly, stuck on the first level for like… many hours.
So yeah, you may be right about that.
Was there like, a maze in that level? I think I remember a maze that ultimately led to a smaller area of open water, where you were just like “well fuckin’ now what?”
Oh come on, I see right through your posturing to be allowed to open an all-dolphin game dev sweat shop. Stop it, it’s a waste of money because the whales always interfere and get the dolphins to unionize after the dolphins earn their programming degrees and then they go out and write emulators (because obviously we just close the shop). One of these days they’ll get in contract with the penguins and might start pumping out Linux distros!
I actually put just a single ai generated pixel in all my games
Now you can’t win some awards…
OMG NEW ECCO GAME
I remember getting irrationally pissed off at the genesis version when i was little lol. Great game though.
A new Ecco game?? Yess. Love the genesis versions
Ye i just saw a vid on ecco. Wishlisting fs
Ok, that was always allowed!
Thank goodness I was worried the French fever dream of ECCO would be ruined
Annunziata has been talking about a new game for decades. I’m sceptical he’ll produce a single pixel tout court.
I just want him to bring back SmallBall Baseball man
Ok then, that was always allowed.
It’s about saving the planet, I think
The developer – whose credits also include Chakan: The Forever Man, Kolibri, Mr. Bones and Three Dirty Dwarves – has previously been quite vocal about his support of tech such as Web3, AI and LLMs (Large Language Models) in video games.
His LinkedIn profile states that one of his “near-term” goals is to “create an AI system to generate ergodic game content.” His current company, PLAYCHEMY, lists “gamification of AI models, Stable Diffusion, LLM, and NeRF” as some of its primary areas of interest.
Save the planet with ECCO, to kill it everywhere else? It’s just marketing (it’s working though). Wait for the reviews instead.
Instead of, what?
Listening to marketeers do their thing. Have we not learned our lesson yet. They’ll say whatever it is to sell their game.
Let them make it. Let them release it. Find out if it’s something you want to buy. Buy it. “It’s about saving the planet” why would anyone volunteer to carry water for them?
I mean I didn’t buy into hype even when I got the gameboy pocket camera, never have and also never pre-ordered anything. except once, I realise I pre-ordered wow to get it at launch day
“It’s about saving the planet” - KeenFlame.
It isn’t about saving the planet. They never said it was about saving the planet, they don’t think GenAI is destroying the planet (see excerpt) The saving the planet thing came all from you.
It’s about marketing, and it’s working, here you are saying ecco the dolphin is saving the planet. Unless you were telling me the plot of ecco, and yeah I suppose, but that’s a bit out of context. Haven’t bought into the hype? What more hype is there than saving the planet.
What’s the most over hyped game you know? Where were people saying it was saving the planet? Great graphics, incredible gameplay, get to watch an acorn grow into a tree in real time… But saving the planet?!
I think you just don’t get the joke…?
I somehow read “not a single pixel will not be AI generated” at first. My brain just defaulted to that. I was confused by the replies for a minute straight.
I wonder if the name Ecco has to do with John C. Lilly.
It’s the same kind of sadness that I feel knowing that a ton of YouTubers who would rather not show their face now have to just so that people know that they’re not a fucking clanker. Especially if they’re new at it and don’t have a backlog or community to prove that they’ve been around longer than the AI slop.
Nice
I knew that “No AI used” is going to become a huge selling point for many products. And I think this is just the start.
That’s excellent. And as these mega corps watch consumers favor those products. Maybe, just maybe they’ll fucking implode. That’s just a fantasy I know.
Unfortunately they won’t. They are earning tons of money.
Earningburning. Fixed it for you.
I’m gonna have my kid add “No AI used” to his lemonade stand sign. He’ll probably double his profits.
(so like $4).
The reality is software engineers will use AI or will find themselves out of work as they won’t have the skills to get hired.
Customers may never know if AI is used as a tool in game creation but it will always be part of any software and development studio.
Using AI for music or design assets is totally different from using it for the code base and blanket statements don’t improve the situation
I disagree with your statement, unfortunately.
I could see a refusal to use codegen as a potential liability, but that’s not “skills”. The biggest thing about codegen is you have to review it and just lower your expectations that the code comes from a technique dumber than the dumbest human intern you have ever seen and approach it with supremely thorough skepticism. It’s exhausting how dumb it can be and how you have to be paranoid for every single piece of output. But it’s not a “skill”
While we don’t do game development, my company has investigated using gen ai for code and we found that it doesn’t reliably assist us in anything other than boilerplate code. I personally found that it hallucinates APIs on the regular which made it a massive waste for me as I basically had to go back and rewrite most of the code myself. Using gen ai for code reminded me of every time I’ve worked at a company that outsourced code; we rarely ever got what we asked for and by the time we got something usable it still wouldn’t be up to our standards, which generally resulted in scrapping what was delivered and having to rewrite the whole thing internally.
Using AI for code requires a high level of specificity, software houses that are getting the most out of it are not using it so much inline or vibe coding because as you say that leads to hallucinations or having to repeat yourself.
The common approach now is to use multiple agents with different responsibilities, the human effectively becomes a team leader and uses one chatbot to orchestrate a plan being very specific about the outcomes and the requirements and breaking the plan down into phases,
Another agent will be used to write the code, they will have set rules files to keep them on guard rails, they will check their work as they go and deliver a pull request at the end of it for the human to check and approve
The next agent will be there to write tests and check the work of the second agent.
It’s a lot more work than writing a single prompt and expecting a good outcome or close approximation, but it is getting better results now.
I made a post about thia exact thing a couple of weeks ago! I will give my money to people not using ai bullshit, and if theyre liars, they wont see a cent from me again. People need to stand up and have some damn principles about this.
And what’s funny is we all know they’re going to use it somewhere.
