Baker’s testimony shows that Mozilla depends so much on its deal with Google for revenue that “the biggest loser of a DOJ win in the Google case would be Mozilla.”
As a FF user: Mozilla has such a small market share now, they should experiment with search. Maybe don’t make another “deal” with another ad based search engine, but invent your own decentralized search or mozilla search or whatever.
While I’d prefer the do that also, I think the issue is that Google pays them so much, they couldn’t afford to exist without it.
I mean, they could. They have been cutting costs in the wrong areas, though - those harder to replace if exgoogled. There’s plenty of unnecessary fat in Mozilla as an organization. They have been doing lots of expensive (in terms of developer and testing resources) unneeded crap (apparently to support the appearance of relevancy, which is different from relevancy itself), they also don’t need that many management people.
Let’s please remember how Mozilla started. Yes, a browser back then and a browser now are two completely different things, but the imbalance in resources has always been there. It’s just that now they are spreading resources where they shouldn’t, to imitate Chrome in things secondary to a browser itself. They don’t have the resources for that even with Google, and of course they won’t otherwise.
Also supporting something like XULRunner or in general olden times Gecko would help, so that people could use FF’s engine like they still do with Chromium and Webkit. That would increase the amount of people contributing in various ways.
That’s how I see it, my humble opinion and all that.
You’re absolutely right. I agree with everything you said. The whole situation is really frustrating as users.
It’s pretty much their only revenue stream, considering they give all the software away and don’t have ads in the browser.
That’s the core of the trial though, right? That through these deals and other things Google does to stay dominant, they stifle the market for competition. Ie Edge, Chrome, and every other Chromium-based browser pushes Google to the end users and FF pushes some unfamiliar search platform, then there’s an uphill, arguably unfair, battle for it to gain enough market share to be sustainable.
The only reason that would work is if they used user search data to sell to advertisers or show ads themselves. That’s how Google search makes money, but it’s antithetical to everything Mozilla is trying to market themselves as: a privacy oriented browser.
I’d pay for a yearly subscription to a privacy focused search by Mozilla.
Most people wouldn’t, which is the issue.
No you won’t. I mean maybe you, personally, will, but the majority of people won’t. People don’t want to pay for YouTube without ads, for fox sake.
Mozilla needs sticky viable income streams. Privacy focused search might be something they can sell to other businesses as a service. I would much rather see Mozilla become the next Red Hat than fade away forever.
The problem is that no one wants to pay money and no one cares about privacy. Privacy in general is a brand new concept which only started its existence about two centuries ago in Catholic countries and still doesn’t exist in many parts of the world. Privacy is a foreign concept for humans and paying for it is just silly.
Boo fucking hoo. Mozilla isn’t a saint and could benefit from a shake up as well. Mozilla’s dependency on Google is dangerous for all of us.
The biggest loser if the DOJ doesn’t win is literally everyone.
I will bite whatever bullet I have to if it means the end of Google hegemony.
Mozilla’s dependency on Google is dangerous for all of us.
But as you can see above, people leave when they don’t use Google
It’s a user issue not a developer one
Relying on monopolistic practices is an endorsement of monopoly as a practice, which is why Mozilla is no saint in this situation.
Mozilla’s history is littered with poor business decisions that led them down the road to dependency on Google, they shouldn’t be excused from them now that a legitimate court case is a threat to their existence.
I don’t see how this case against Google is a threat to Firefox’s existence
It’s not like they can lie under oath and say they left the contract with Yahoo that pays more to be with Google because they’re a Monopoly
This playing into Google’s argument that they are the best is just nice for them
I am aware that popularity and quality aren’t related at all though
if the judge ultimately sides with the DOJ and orders Google to break up its search business, not only could Mozilla lose revenue, but Baker’s salary could potentially take a big hit, too. Baker confirmed that her salary—$2.5 million in 2020—increased after the Google deal was renewed that year.
According to Dyall’s thread, Baker also testified that she thought Mozilla might be forced into a “death spiral” if it is stuck partnering with Microsoft for search as an outcome of the trial.
It’s their own assessment that it’s an existential threat, I’m just agreeing with it. Google is absolutely the biggest factor in their sustainability as a business.
Well that would be a pretty silly way of dealing with a monopoly
Google should be broken up into many different search engines rather than just picking/choosing which browsers get which search engine
whats wrong with her hair
I don’t understand what’s going on with her hair.
Kind of looks like she fell asleep watching a toddler, and it decided to cut her hair.
It’s like a side mullet
Is this the same CEO who fired the entire documentation team and then gave herself a raise?
Is! Yahoo! still! a! thing!?!
Surprisingly, they’re still in the top 10 most visited websites. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-visited_websites
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s because their stock data and viewing is pretty mature and a lot of people would go for that alone.
Yahoo finance is great at immediately displaying useful and digestible data and the redesigns have been very conservative.
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I still use my Hotmail address but it’s only for signing up for stuff. It’s spamtown in there.
My Hotmail address turns 24 this year. Still used for signups
About 20,000 unread messages 😂
We set ours up around the same time. I lost access to my oldest Hotmail account because I was a teenager embarrassed of the name.
I wish I had held onto it.
I still use a @ymail
It works well enough, and it keeps Google from knowing absolutely everything about me.
I was shocked to see it on some resumes recently. And these are for tech positions.
The CEO short-term logic makes sense: Yahoo search = Lower cost = Higher profit margin = Happy shareholders = Happy CEO
But she forgot that: Yahoo search = Shit
And then it happened
Where’s Jeeves when we need him? I’d ask him but…
Most internet users:
Most people tbf
Thanks for reminding me about Kagi 😁
Yea nobodys going to buy it. Stop shilling
Shilling? I accidentally tapped the image and noticed the URL, remembering that I wanted to check it out 😂 just block the keyword and be done with it 👍
Yahoo was a massive failed effort, but it hardly even compares to that haircut.
Google is def an L.
Yahoo a bigger L for sure.
But the biggest L is making fun of other peoples appearances.Why don’t you post a picture of yourself so we can make shitty comments about you?
The haircut literally looks like an L
Dude, blame your barber/stylist, grow it out, and get over it.
I don’t know who the fuck you’re talking to. I shave my head.
And seem to be real sensitive about it.
Yeah I think talking shit about how people look is not cool. Crucify me.
Happily
Nah just gonna laugh at this specific reaction a little bit.
I’m 99.99% with you on the sentiment, right up to particularly egregious (and not culturally or ethnically significant) haircuts. On that one, I may continue to do like only half of this woman’s hair, and throw a little shade.
I get where you’re coming from, but an intentional, statement haircut that you could easily change feels like it’s ok to make a statement about, while I never would about someone’s weight, height, etc.
If I posted a picture of myself and the hair was what people roasted me for, I’d be happy lol.
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You’re wrong.
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Still waiting for that picture. I’m making a list of horrible things to say that will stick with you and drive your insecurities for the rest of your life.
What an absolute cringe take. Thank you valiant knight for defending that nice lady’s hair. God speed.
Please quote back to me where I defended anyone’s hair.
Lol alright. Gimme your worst.
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Are you actually so dumb?
Let me repeat myself: don’t make fun of how people look
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Chill
Google is starting to yahoo itself. The search is optimized to drive purchases and not actually finding what you want. That and delisting of some sites in the search results. Try finding a direct link to Trump’s social media in a private window on Google vs on duckduckgo. Did he just break that gag order? Google doesn’t want you to know!
If you have a few bucks, Kagi search is awesome and you can customize domain rankings.
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The plan selection page has a link in the bottom for PayPal and Bitcoin (OpenNode)
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Another interesting comment Mozilla’s takeaway from the experiment was that Firefox "users made it clear that they look for and want and expect Google.”
It’s not really that surprising that the average user wants the most popular search engine instead of yahoo (of all things) baked in, whatever your views on Google.
Im also not convinced. If it were a DDG default it would just make the browser better.
To be clear, I’m not even using DDG as my main search.
To be honest I find that hard to believe, but who knows? It’s a crazy world after all.
Yeah… And what about the 60 millions users lost since 2019? Will Mozilla find someone else to blame?
Amazing that people would run away over that. People really are Luddites.
Luddites didn’t oppose the technology itself, but the distribution of the profits it brought and were fighting for workers’ rights.
Cool comic and cool site, thanks!
