• abbadon420@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Cigarettes are bad and all, but from a business standpoint this is pretty clever. The EU forbade them to put ads on the package, so they’re putting ads in the packages. I hope my appreciation of their ingenuity gives the some solace when they’re burning in hell.

      • Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        1 year ago

        I don’t understand this take. You can enjoy a product but still understand that it brings more harm than good to society as a whole. I’m guessing tobacco is something you “need to function” because of the very fact that you regularly used it in the first place, probably at least partially due to the industry’s predatory practices.

        Don’t get me wrong, withdrawal is an absolute nightmare I am blessed to never have experienced firsthand, but cases of lifelong dependence are why those companies should burn in the first place. If there were a way to get you and others like you what you need while wiping the rest of the industry off the face of this planet, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

        If you genuinely enjoy smoking and believe tobacco has enriched your life, more power to you. Perhaps someone selling tobacco to people in your situation doesn’t bring harm, but selling that same product to someone who’s never smoked before and might potentially become hooked for life? Yeah, straight to hell. Fuck them.

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        1 year ago

        It is wrong to sell addictive substances to addicts.
        Sure, adults have the right to smoke if they want. They are, of course, adults. But that doesn’t make it okay for tobacco companies to advertise harmful and addictive substances to anyone, least of all the people who are already addicted.

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          1 year ago

          Sure, adults have the right to smoke if they want

          Even if it forces everyone in the vicinity to inhale that crap? Smoking has one distinct feature in that it harms not just the user, but everyone around as well.

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    1 year ago

    They’re advertising alt-cigarette products, right? Probably from their parent companies alt subsidiary.

    I vaguely remember in the '90s they used to have slips like that in the UK. Can’t remember if it was advertising or things like “Collect 100 of these tokens, get a 20 pack for free!”

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      1 year ago

      Yeah it says “Heats real tobacco, doesn’t burn” so probably a vape. The big cigarette companies have all bought up companies in the vaping industry in the last years.

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        1 year ago

        That would be false marketing, then. The reason why vapes are much less unhealthy (still unhealthy and wouldn’t recommend them for anything except temporary use to quit smoking) than cigarettes is that they DON’T contain tobacco!

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          1 year ago

          That ad doesn’t make any health claims tho. Or am I missing context here?

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            1 year ago

            You’re right, I’m just disspelling a common misconception about regular vapes and including why it’s significant.

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          1 year ago

          There’s a big difference between “heated” and “burnt” tobacco. Same as with weed vaporization vs smoking, vaporization is much healthier compared to inhaling burnt plant material.

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            1 year ago

            True, but e-juice still isn’t and doesn’t contain tobacco, is my point.

            The ad might be for another kind of vape that DOES use tobacco, which would still be MUCH more unhealthy than e-juice even without the burning.

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      11 months ago

      Okay, this might be a dumb question, but do different cigarette brands do (taste?) different?

      Again, sorry of this is stupid.

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          In my experience, they don’t and e-cigs do. It’s different from person to person.

          I haven’t smoked OR vaped for over 3 years after 18 years of smoking where I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medications.

          Took me about three months of going from smoking to vaping high nicotine to gradually reducing to no nicotine and then not vaping at all.

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            Yeah the opposite was true for me. Vaping definitely was less effective because it gives you that instant hit which is a big component of the addictiveness of nicotine.

            Glad it worked for you though. It’s a terrible habit.

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              I’m glad the other methods worked for you as well! Of all the smokers I’ve ever known, maybe one or two total have not wished they never started…

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        1 year ago

        i switched to vaping with nicotine. zero problem. did not miss cigs for a second. Then I slowly reduced the nicotine over six months until zero. i’m now smokefree since 2 years after lighting up 30 cigs a day for over 20 years.

          • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            You both are stars!! I quit 10 years ago and now I am a podium finishing triathlete and marathoner.

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            1 year ago

            It is hard, but it’s absolutely worth it and can be made easier if you slowly transition rather than going cold turkey. No way I could have stopped without nicotine gum. Once I finally forced myself to throw my vape in the garbage and just kept using nicotine gum it was really hard to justify going back to vaping/smoking. Smoking (~5 years) -> Vaping (~5 years) -> Nicotine gum (~3 months) -> Regular gum (still using)

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          When I would take clients to a smoking cessation therapist, one fact that she would cite was the fact that quitting cigarettes is more difficult than quitting heroin.

          I would also be told anecdotally by many of my clients that it was harder to quit than other hard drugs like meth and one person even said crack.

          It can certainly be broken, but addiction is a disease and your comment could come off as condescendingly minimizing an incredibly difficult task.

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              1 year ago

              Yes, I can count…

              Someone voiced struggling with addiction and your overly simplistic response could easily be interpreted negatively in a demeaning way.

              Person 1: “I’m having so much trouble with my obesity…”

              Person 2: “People can lose weight.”

              Can you see how that is not very helpful and potentially demeaning? How someone can feel that trivializes their struggle?

              If you had stated something like “Addiction is so difficult, but it can be broken. Don’t give up hope.” That is totally different.

  • Vilian@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    i though that the guy in the bed dieing was an american health company Ads 💀💀

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        1 year ago

        I would like to apologize for my inadequate level of English proficiency. I am not a native speaker of the world’s current lingua franca which unfortunately leads to me making numerous embarrassing mistakes being made whenever I attempt to communicate using this language. Whenever I am reminded of how I lack the ability to convey my thoughts in an eloquent manner I feel as though I have committed a cardinal sin, as though every English teacher in the world are simultaneously shaking their heads and sighing due to how utterly disappointed they are at me.

        Although I know that saying sorry to those of you who are reading my comment will not change the fact that I fail miserably to write and speak perfect English, I am writing this as a way to deter a certain type of people who cannot stand poor English (Also known informally as “Grammar Nazis”) from mocking me by posting unwanted and unnecessary comments detailing my every blunder. In my humble opinion, making grammatical errors should be perfectly acceptable as native speakers should not expect non-native speakers to be able to communicate in their second or third languages eloquently. If you are able to completely understand what the other person wrote, is there really a problem with what they’ve written? No, because the entire concept of communication is the exchange of information between other intelligent beings, which means that no matter how the exchange of information is made, as long as the information is accurately shared there is not a fundamental issue with their ability to communicate. To see it in another way, remember that someone who isn’t fluent in English is fluent in another language. When you think about it this way, isn’t it impressive for someone to speak a second language in any capacity? Having empathy and respect are qualities that are sorely missing for far too many people these days, especially on the internet.

        That being said, I am aware that not all netizens who correct others are doing it to ridicule and shame. There are some who do so with the intent to help others improve and grow. However, displaying the failures of other people publicly will cause the person who is criticized to feel negative emotions such as shame and sadness due to the fact that their mistake has been made obvious which severely undermines the point they were trying to make in spite of their unfamiliarity with the English language. In most circumstances people are not looking for language help when they post anything online. Most people just want to enjoy themselves and have a good time on the internet which is why I would not encourage correcting other people regardless of your intentions. If you really do want to help others with their spelling or grammar, I would highly recommend you to help via messaging privately because not only will you not embarrass anyone, you can also go more in-depth with your explanation which I’m sure the other person will greatly appreciate if they want help, but I digress. I know that I’ve written a bit of an essay, but I hope I’ve made my points clear.

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            1 year ago

            Before I begin my actual comment, I would like to apologize in advance for my inadequate level of English proficiency. I am not a native speaker of the world’s current lingua franca which unfortunately leads to me making numerous embarrassing mistakes being made whenever I attempt to communicate using this language. Whenever I am reminded of how I lack the ability to convey my thoughts in an eloquent manner I feel as though I have committed a cardinal sin, as though every English teacher in the world are simultaneously shaking their heads and sighing due to how utterly disappointed they are at me. Although I know that saying sorry to those of you who are reading my comment will not change the fact that I fail miserably to write and speak perfect English, I am writing this as a way to deter a certain type of people who cannot stand poor English (Also known informally as “Grammar Nazis”) from mocking me by posting unwanted and unnecessary comments detailing my every blunder. In my humble opinion, making grammatical errors should be perfectly acceptable as native speakers should not expect non-native speakers to be able to communicate in their second or third languages eloquently. If you are able to completely understand what the other person wrote, is there really a problem with what they’ve written? No, because the entire concept of communication is the exchange of information between other intelligent beings, which means that no matter how the exchange of information is made, as long as the information is accurately shared there is not a fundamental issue with their ability to communicate. To see it in another way, remember that someone who isn’t fluent in English is fluent in another language. When you think about it this way, isn’t it impressive for someone to speak a second language in any capacity? Having empathy and respect are qualities that are sorely missing for far too many people these days, especially on the internet. That being said, I am aware that not all netizens who correct others are doing it to ridicule and shame. There are some who do so with the intent to help others improve and grow. However, displaying the failures of other people publicly will cause the person who is criticized to feel negative emotions such as shame and sadness due to the fact that their mistake has been made obvious which severely undermines the point they were trying to make in spite of their unfamiliarity with the English language. In most circumstances people are not looking for language help when they post anything online. Most people just want to enjoy themselves and have a good time on the internet which is why I would not encourage correcting other people regardless of your intentions. If you really do want to help others with their spelling or grammar, I would highly recommend you to help via messaging privately because not only will you not embarrass anyone, you can also go more in-depth with your explanation which I’m sure the other person will greatly appreciate if they want help, but I digress. I know that I’ve written a bit of an essay, but I hope I’ve made my points clear. Anyways, here is the comment I wanted to make: lol

    • Xero@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      but the smokers will never quit, those addicts will pay anything to make everyone suffer for their asshole decision