I’m not American and also not a lawyer. Do the types of charges trump was found guilty of have any jail time associated with them. Normally there is a min- max.
They can attract up to 4 years for each charge. However he’s 77, a first offender (officially at least) and it’s a non violent crime. Those alone would make jail unlikely.
He’s also a FPOTUS and a possible future POTUS, who would have to have a Secret Service protection team with him throughout.
So IMO, there’s no way he’ll see a cell. Sadly.
Was he still a first offender by the 34th count? I thought the first offender was more meant to allow for the fact that people can make mistakes sometimes and shouldn’t be overly penalised for one mistake provided they show remorse and a willingness to change behaviour. That’s a tough sell when you’ve committed 34 counts and repeatedly shown contempt for the whole thing.
Still, sadly I agree totally he won’t be jailed. Probably absolutely weak sentencing that would never be applied to someone else with less money or connections.
Was he still a first offender by the 34th count?
Ha, fair point, I hadn’t really thought of it like that.
Be great if the judge issues sentences for each offence, gradually increasing them until the last 4 were 1 year in jail, 2 years, 3 years, 4 years… :-)
I expect house arrest and probation, both get commuted should he win.
Didn’t he reject the Secret Service detail after losing the last election? Or were you referring to if he gets elected again?
No he has had a secret service detail ever since he was elected, he didn’t refuse their protection after losing the election and leaving office.
Current presidents are required by law to have secret service protection, former presidents are entitled to lifetime protection, but can choose to refuse it. He hasn’t refused it.
Interesting, I wonder where I got that from? Ah well, thanks for the update.
So there could be some poor secret service blokes who go to jail as a job?
These are rich people crimes.
Generally only the poor go to prison, unless the rich person committing the crimes has committed them against people far richer than them.
In terms of Trump’s charges, something like only 10% of people with similar convictions go to jail. So it seems unlikely, but it is possible.
One of the articles I read yesterday stated that in the state of New York, this type of conviction has about a 1 in 10 chance of including a prison sentence (up to four years). The judge determines the sentence, and may also weigh in with whether a monetary sentence would be meaningful to the defendant, but also things like remorse (which Trump has shown none) and the number of convictions (which are a lot).
Even if we get lucky enough to see Trump sent to jail, he can still get out on bond while appealing the case, so it could be a year or more before Trump would ever have to spend a night behind bars.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-2026/trump-guilty-sentence-prison-voting-rights
The charges — for falsifying business records to conceal another crime — carry a maximum sentence of four years in prison, but Trump could receive much less serious punishment, like probation.
Hope that answers your question. I’m not a lawyer or an expert. However in many cases, a sentence of 4 years results in less than 2 served in prison but probation until the end of that period. Getting the max sentence usually only happens when there is a pattern of behavior or increasing criminal behaviors. People getting their fifth theft charge will get a higher sentence than their second for example. This being Trump’s first conviction, it is highly likely he will get fines and probation. This is an unprecedented situation though so we will have to see what comes from sentencing on July 11.
What about the 34th charge?
A firm handshake and a pat on the back.
Cynical me says no jail time… We’d be lucky to see house arrest
There is a non-zero chance he will get nothing… Something like a suspended sentence which means he can be called a convicted felon but would suffer no consequences
Extremely unlikely. I think the best we can hope for is house arrest and I’ll be shocked if he even gets that. They keep saying “no one is above the law” but we know that’s not true.
There wasn’t with Andrew Cuomo, and he was said to have done the whole Stormy Daniels thing with eleven different women. And Andrew Cuomo was a state governor, not the president. Imagine, then, a former president and upcoming presidential candidate like Donald Trump being locked away over a single woman. Sure, it was enough to impeach Bill Clinton when he did it with Monica Lewinsky, even without extra charges (though he was accused of corruption at various times), but if Donald Trump goes to jail or prison for it, it would, to me at least, cement the idea we live in a de facto one party system, since so many other people have walked away having been said to have done worse than those two people, including Andrew Cuomo.
Andrew Cuomo has not been convicted of a crime, so he cannot be sentenced to prison.
One could say that’s a part of my point. He did the whole Stormy Daniels thing eleven times, you’d think he would be convicted, either of that or of monetary abuse and/or setting up policies that killed the elderly en masse during covid.
Thanks. I remember the name Como (governor) but little else about him
He was the governor of New York State, the son of a previous governor, Mario Cuomo (sadly people didn’t feel any letsa-go with him either). When the son was impeached, his vice governor took over, which sounds like an aspect of the government I hope changes. That’s like switching you out with a proxy. There’s a reason secessionism felt highest with him in office.
Would the fact he was disrespectful to the court (falling to sleep, badmouthing people on social media), shows no remorse (still claiming to be innocent despite overwhelming evidence against and a unanimous jury) and the fact there’re 34 charges against him (all unanimously guilty) not factor heavily into his sentencing. Also the reasoning behind what he did, to trick his way into the highest political position in America.
It’s up to the judge and can range from no prison to four years. A nonviolent first-time offense usually means a lighter sentence, but the judge can also factor in the complete lack of contrition and the numerous egregious gag order violations. These make prison significantly more likely than it otherwise would be.
the range is from probation, up to 1⅓-4yrs per offense, with a maximum cap of 20 years.
sentencing is on
JuneJuly??? 11Sentencing is July 11.
fuck, are you kidding me. all right I fixed it
Yep, it’s very clear there are two legal systems. One for us and one for the rich.
Sentencing is on June 11th, we’ll find out then
July 11th from everywhere I’ve seen. I don’t know why it takes over a month.
Not at all. The charges are only felonies due to technicalities and there is no mandatory minimum. Sentencing is at the judges discretion and theres lots of president for people convicted of similar charges not getting jail time.
When we consider that appeals won’t be over till after the election and that it would be logistically problematic to actually imprison a former president it’s hard to imagine without bringing up how much being imprisoned would be a boon to trumps political campaign.
