After all the BS from /u/spez?
Honestly, apathy. It is not like people have to start paying for the app or website explicitly
- Facebook/ Meta stole and continues to steal millions of users’ data, the vast majority of the users do not care
- Twitter hacked most third-party apps, but people still use it because it doesn’t affect them personally. They still use it for free, so why not?
- Reddit killed third party APIs? People will grumble, but they will recalibrate their mind and continue using the official app.
I completely agree, and I think another major factor is a function of when you started using Reddit.
I’ve noticed a trend that many of the people who’ve moved on from Reddit (or at least the ones who are posting here and in places like Hacker News) joined Reddit 8+ years ago.
I started using Reddit about 14 years ago, and I’ve definitely noticed a change in the overall vibe of Reddit over those years. There were obvious changes (like cracking down/banning specific subreddits) and there were more subtle changes (like communities growing so large that the comments turned to shit) and there was a departure from a text-heavy, original-content focused haven for like-minded people to a feed full of gifs and inflammatory comment (not to mention ads-that-are-pretending-to-be-posts).
People who have been using it for so many years notice this change, but it was so gradual and over so long a time that they were used to it – essentially the change was slow enough that we were lulled into accepting the new reality of Reddit.
But then this whole kerfuffle has shaken us out of it and made us realize that it’s only going to get worse. So here we are, onto greener pastures.
Now, on the other hand, we have the (many, many) people who started using Reddit more recently. They only know the “new” Reddit. And so they don’t get what the big deal is. They think the mods are throwing a fit and the power users are just whiny and “why the hell can’t I see my memes?”.
They don’t understand what we miss about Reddit.
As a fairly ‘new’ user of Reddit, I think you’re pretty spot on. I’ve been using Reddit for around 5 years or so now (and their mobile app, I know, burn me right now) and as you said, for users like me, it’s not that obvious how much Reddit has changed for the worst. Sure, a few things were changed for the worst, but compared to other social medias, Reddit still seemed like the better option to me.
The think is, this protest has shed light on a lot of issues I ignored, and the way Reddit Corp. has handled it just straight up made me sick and wanting to dissosiate myself from Reddit as a whole. But I’ve a strong political background, strong beliefs and I am french so… I’m clearly not the ‘common user’. Those, I get why they see the protest as an inconveniance at best, and just want to keep using the website conveniantly as they usually do. They don’t know about 3rd Party Apps, they don’t care about useful bots, they don’t understand forums and old internet culture. They just want their daily dose of content.
EDIT: Also my very first comment on Lemmy, as I’m trying to fly away from Reddit.
Because of what is WAS. While it still remains a bastion of information and data, for me Reddit has went WAY beyond a social media that I’ll use. I was already done when they decided not to reconsider their API decision - I could have been swayed, too. Companies deserve to get paid for their data and service; but not price-gouging rates like Reddit is attempting. It really sucks, too - I loved what Reddit, and its USERS, provided to the userbase… when I heard about mgmt planning to forcefully take back BLACKOUT sub-reddits, tho; that was it. NO ONE should remain there - I don’t understand how anyone could - federation is the only way forward, aside from going back to a website for every ‘sub-reddit’… Lemmy and LemmyNet should, as they are, really take hold right now. The devs need to find more help; I hate to say this, but theres money there. NO REDDIT, NO MORE. MORE Social, less Media.
I had hope until yesterday. I was a mod and all my users turned on me and said some really hurtful things. I’m gonna give a mod position to someone else on a smaller sub I’m a part of or two and step down from the rest. I’m guessing I’ll still lurk, but I’m done with it.
I don’t think people understand how important moderation is. I’m sorry you had that experience. I appreciate all the work you’ve put in.
Thank you. Working to let it go.
Why don’t you just step down without assigning a new mod? Let Reddit self destruct itself.
One of my favorite subs went aggressively pro-shill. Not just “you did your best”. But nothing except contempt and endless mockery.
I would say it’s astroturfing. But previously a gaming sub had gone dark for a mere 24 hours as a statement about toxicity and the response was similar.
There’s definitely some hardcore shilling and astroturfing in a lot of subs where blackouts and John Oliver memes have become the norm. People with no posting history, brand new accounts and low karma accounts have flooded in to insult the mods and attack the protest.
because the majority of people doesn’t really care sadly
Reddit is profiting a lot from the network effect. By now this reddit is a known brand, has a lot of content is already there, has a lot of people (especially non-technical users) are already on reddit, and they’re there to stay.
All the other reddit alternatives, including lemmy and/or the fediverse suffers from:
- Bugs (I love lemmy, but gosh, have you seen how buggy and sometimes unresponsive it is?)
- The complexity of “servers” (don’t get me wrong, federation is the way to go IMHO, but it is confusing to non-technical users)
- Lack of content
- Lack of users
Everybody is talking about the Digg exodus, but nobody is saying that it didn’t happen in a day, it took ~1 to 2 years.
The complexity of “servers” (don’t get me wrong, federation is the way to go IMHO, but it is confusing to non-technical users)
I’ll admit the technical stuff is probably the most off-putting. Most major social media got where it is by being idiot proof. The whole set-up will need to be much more streamlined if they want to really dip into Reddits user base.
I think the solution is a central registration which selects a random server from https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances
For example, join-lemmy.org should do this, IMHO, without any technicality. Just transparently register to random server, with a curated cross-servers pre-selected list of subscriptions. Once users are distributed across servers, people will just recommend friends/family to join their own server, then the centralization of join-lemmy.org won’t become an issue. But I might be utopian.
The vast majority of reddits userbase are consumers. They are already using the official app and don’t care about the politics of the platform. These people are only there to get their content fix.
I realised this when I saw a post on a subreddit where someone shared on how to turn off some kind of notification in the official app. So many other people thanked this person… Reddit has become another mainstream social media site like FB, Instagram and so on.
You’re on the Fediverse where the more “extreme” people moving away from Reddit are. Hence, there is a strong bias toward experiencing the Reddit fiasco in a way that makes one think, that it’s already a sinking ship. For many, Lemmy isn’t as easily useable and mature as Reddit is.
The echo chamber will continue. Too easy to surround ourselves with the same opinions all of the time
That’s kinda true in both cases, right? Like the ones who remain attached to reddit and new transplants to Lemmy will both be like “good riddance”
Because the content that people dump into it for years and communities are valuable. May be if some of those communities migrated to lemmy and I just keep accessing contents from way back machine, then I may not want Reddit anymore, but at the moment. I wish for it’s redemption
The arrow of enshitification flys in one direction only. the people that are still there will migrate out eventually. spez was right when he said the majority of users don’t care about the api, but fails to realize that the majority of users don’t generate content. The users that do generate content are jumping ship.
Reddit is unsalvageable and had been for a long time, but again, you are not going to be able to take the redditor out of people even if they move somewhere else for a long time.
None of us should be trying to build a better reddit here, we should be aiming to build something new, knowing what works and what doesn’t from our time as redditors.
Something more sincere, I guess.
The farther this goes, the more I think you may be right about Reddit being unsalvagable.
I think with different ownership, things could have worked out very differently. But the current shareholders and board obviously don’t care much that their property has gone from one of the most liked and trusted sites on the Internet to one of the most publicly hated in like 3 weeks. They think this will make them money otherwise they’d have reined Spez in or fired him.More importantly, I think this sort of thing can happen with ANY non-federated platform. As long as the users aren’t the ones ultimately in charge, it can and probably will eventually happen.
They are just following the reactionary social media norms these days. The lack of proper passing of information and just humoured by the subreddit protests such as in r/pics. Some people are not actually on Reddit for information.
At this point I just want the place to burn.
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I have zero hope for Reddit. I had no idea there were much better 3rd party apps available for Reddit on phones, so the API changes don’t impact me. But I’ve noticed over the years more and more, astro turfing by bots, bots reposting popular things to karma farm, as to sell the bot to entities looking to influence reddit via the aforementioned astro turfing.
It’s all very gross, I started to feel like a duck sitting in a pond surrounded by ducks, but not really, they’re all decoys, fakes, mean to give the impression of a big crowd. I don’t like that trend, and on top of that, the idea of Reddit going public, and trying to push our content as their value makes me sick. The owners of reddit haven’t done the heavy lifting, we the users, the mods all did the work and built up content. The idea that some chucklefuck was going to profit big from our effort isn’t something I want to be part of any more. So here I am, and I gotta say, Lemmy feels like a 2000’s forum by comparison, and I hope its very nature makes it harder to fall into the same pit falls as reddit and digg did.
Reddit is like the restaurant you’ve been going to for several years that was a mom & pop operation with awesome food and atmosphere. It got popular, and the owners made it a chain, so you could get the same food in a lot of different areas. The quality started to go down as they expanded, but it was already very popular. Then the owners started raising the prices, and the atmosphere started to get way less awesome. At some point, you realized that it’s not the restaurant you fell in love with, and it wasn’t a good value anymore, so you started looking for a similar kind of restaurant that was more like that one was early on. But the chain is still really popular, and a lot of people just keep going because it’s what they’re familiar with and they know the menu - they don’t want to go to the work of finding a new place and they’re content with what they’re getting there. The people who have left are a drop in the bucket so far, and the chain restaurant is likely to continue operating for the foreseeable future.
I remember almost everyone use facebook at a time, even chinese use facebook before it was walled off in china. But then everyone got angry because facebook got worse and anti-user and some deleted account. Yet, facebook is still kicking
In a nutshell, the communities move on to a more culturally and technologically suitable perform
Life is short, it is wise fast track to
Acceptanceforfive stages of grief. The best punishment for Reddit admins is to be forgottenFacebook is still kicking but they had to buy Instagram because they were bleeding users to it like crazy. They’re not declining in usage because the Internet (number of connected people) is still growing, but their user growth has slowed down significantly, to the point where they had a quarter with a decline in daily active users. That’s bad for a platform like that, and their stock price has reflected that.
Because Reddit has been our online home for years. It’s where our communities are, where are online friends are, it’s become home. People have spent thousands of hours building communities there, as a labor of love.
Unfortunately I agree with you- the home is on fucking fire and unless a monsoon spontaneously erupts we should get the hell out before it burns to the ground.
