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It is sad, but through the events of the last few years (Reddit, Twitter, politics) companies have realized they can do whatever they want. While they will lose a significant portion of users, the mass majority will stay. The ones that leave are the ones they can’t abuse and they don’t want them anyway. Profit is better taking advantage of the complacent and losing the activists than the other way around.
Anywho, I will move to Firefox just like I moved to lemmy. Although I’m not sure moving to Firefox actually fixes anything other than giving Google less money. Now I just need to figure out how to have a phone without apple or Google getting a peice.
google pixel 5 bought used, unlock the bootloader and flash it with grapheneOS. download Firefox with AdBlock and use fdroid and aurora store (found on fdroid) for apps.
Does it run all the android apps? Like, the one off apps for like my fridge, security cameras etc…?
No offense, but wtf does someone need an app for their fridge?
It’s obviously to know what your groceries are doing, while you aren’t looking.
Like Night at the Museum but for a refrigerator. There’s a movie in there somewhere.
Sausage party was that movie. And yes, it was as bad as it sounds.
Lol, should’ve guessed…
To be fair, the only reason I can see for having a smart fridge is , if you’re at the shops or at work, and you need to check if you need anything, you can just use that.
But, like, I can’t see any other purpose. And even that one is instantly voided by using that magical little thing, and making yourself a list.
to ask alexa to buy more milk, duh
its like you dont even 2023
I was just using it as an example because I just figured it out on my fridge (it’s useless). I was just trying to figure out if I would be going backwards 10 years if I switched, that was just the first thing that came to mind as an example.
No, you do you. I just don’t understand the engineers’ motivation for creating an IoT fridge.
From the creators of the IoT fridge comes the first IoT toilet, complete with a bowl camera and mic that stares up your ass and notifies your family when the bathroom is in use and whose taking a crap. You can even review your past shits in 4k! 😛
I could maybe see some uses for a fridge on wifi. The only useful things it does is notify me if the temp rises beyond a point or if the door is left open for a really long time. As far as the temp rising without the door open the only cause is either the fridge failed ( It better fucking not) or the power went out. If the power goes out, so does my router so…
That is actually somewhat useful. I don’t know if that use-case is worth it to me, personally, to have a potentially insecure device on my home network, but I suppose you could give it its own network and write decent firewall rules to protect your other gear.
i mean, they will run. the question is if the app developers hate you.
and since for the most part app developers care about having you as a user so they can sell your personality to advertisers, what i actually mean by “if the app developers hate you” is “if the app is a bank”.
Many banking apps will work on secure roms like calyx/graphene. Techlore set up a submittal system here you can check: https://plexus.techlore.tech/
As a concrete example, it indicates if the app works without google spyware at all vs if it works with the microg spyware simulation service, and indicates my former bank chase has support for migrog but not totally-google-free operation.
However, sadly (and I assume because the head dev of graphene has clear mental disorders and took a massive dump all over techlore for months at a time a couple summers back), somehow the play services question doesnt get answered on the techlore site. For that, you have to go to a different site: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
You can get yourself sandboxed Google Play Services and everything should work fine. Personally, I have a separate profile for apps that need it.
What really has me paranoid is all the ones suddenly deciding to power trip and give out bans over nothing. We need to create a safe place on the web where the corporations can’t get to us.
TikTok already did this in Indonesia.
They remove any videos that being critical towards TikTok. Especially, they’re trying to flood Indonesian market with cheap Chinese goods via TikTok Shop.
Fairphone 4 from certain vendors comes preloaded with e/OS which is like a deGoogled Android. Might work for people looking to move away from Google. I’m considering it myself for my next phone.
Donate to Pinephone
Wouldn’t it be better to just buy a Pinephone?
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Get an android phone that you can root with an OS.
I’m running a bacon right now!
I’ll soon upgrade to an oxygen(mi max 2) when mi unlock allows me to :(
GrapheneOS. Don’t use Firefox on Android
GrapheneOS is a rom and firefox is a browser
You mean: “use vanadium, which is only available if you have a pixel and the technical skills and can-do to install a thirdparty rom”
Security on Firefox for Android is a significant concern.
not necessarily relevant to my message, but ok. can you provide a list of specific issues or CVEs?
Youtube started to show me an overlay telling me to disable my adblocker and a countdown timer before I could play the video.
I used my adblocker to block the overlay… ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I never liked Chrome. The way it made sponsored search results a really difficult to see shade of yellow made me realise where their priorities were long ago.
As such I have always used Firefox.
Yes, I am feeling pretty smug right about now given how correct I am/was about Google pulling some even more dickish move with Chrome.
So is adblock like totally dead on chrome ?
it will be if Google goes forward with their plans.
Wait until January 2024. Then it will be much less powerful
No. Ublock Origin Lite
Not at all
Pretty sure you are correct. The changes google is talking about aren’t going to affect adblock directly.
Not yet, but they are going for a death by a thousand cuts.
Unless there are developments that i unaware of the dev of ublock expressed that the changes would be huge for their ability to filter ads.
I tried to switch to Firefox, but I fill out a lot of forms, and it doesn’t have autofill for them. It makes it very slow and frustrating. I’ve searched for solutions to activate it, add ons for it, etc to no avail. It seems that function may only be available in the US? It’s strange to have such a basic feature missing.
I basically switch to firefox until something I need doesn’t work, then I go back to chrome until they do something scummy. I’m back on firefox now and the experience is better than previously. I will probably stay and keep Chrome for “just in case” stuff or when I want a browser with no privacy/adblock extensions.
Firefox absolutely can auto fill!
Well, it would appear the Android version can’t, at least not in Australia.
I haven’t noticed this myself. Did you look inside settings?
Very thoroughly, there’s settings for autofilling passwords, but not forms.
Firefox cannot autofill forms outside login credentials last i knew. That’s not a feature in it. So details like addresses and credit card info are not auto filled.
Well, that sucks. I guess I’m stuck with Chrome for now then. Thanks for the info.
a bunch of password managers (i.e. 1password) do this for you
I’ll look into it. Thanks!
Check these out
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1267609
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/control-whether-firefox-automatically-fills-forms
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/automatically-fill-your-address-web-forms
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/autofill-forms-e10s/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/autofill-forms-webextension/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/strongbox-autofill/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/autoformer/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/autofill-quantum/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/cookie-autodelete/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/simplify-jobs/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/keepass-tusk/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/irctc-magic-autofill-official/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/autofill-extension/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/autofillgoogleforms/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/challenge-grid-autofill/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/auto-form-fields-filler/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/kmc-vietnam-g-autofill/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/google-forms-auto-filler/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/simple-form-fill/utm_content=search
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/fake-filler/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/autofill-powerlevel-9000/utm_content=search
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/autofillduo/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/simplefill/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/autofill-input-data/
https://thdoan.github.io/autofill-firefox/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/search/?page=4&q=autofill
Thank you for all your efforts! Unfortunately, I have already looked at the support posts, they refer to settings that aren’t present in my version of Firefox. The add-ons all tell me they aren’t suitable for Android. When I go to the section thay say they are for Android, nothing comes up when I search autofill.
I didn’t catch you were in android. I think there has been some movement this month to make add-ons now accessible on Firefox Android.
I should’ve mentioned it in the original comment, that’s my bad. I was mostly venting lol. Sounds like it’ll be sorted shortly, hopefully before Chrome gets too painful to use.
Ah, you’re on Android! In a few months, Firefox on Android will support all extensions. You should be able to use them then.
Nice, thanks for the info!
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2023 is the year of self-implosions. Time to switch to opera
Opera is chromium based. Try Firefox
Opera is chromium based with ties to the damned CCP.
“Chrome is a problem, better switch to chromium”
Well, actually … Ungoogled Chromium
Edit: formatting
Ungoogled or not, chromium is still a problem. It has become the defacto render engine, and Google is pulling the same shit as MS did with IE.
Some day someone is gonna have to explain this take to me.
Standards for the web are a good thing. Websites being slightly different to straight up breaking depending on what browser you use is an awful user experience.
I see nothing wrong with everyone defaulting to blink and v8. Makes the web better for everyone be it users or developers.
Chromium is open source! It feels like people’s blind hatred / paranoia of big tech makes people reject it on principle more than anything.
They are trying to develope enough dependency on them that they could stop being open source and the majority of browsers and websites dependent on their development just fold and allow google to control the internet.
Big companies only let stuff be open source in order to rugpull it if and when it would allow them to be successfully anticompetitive.
Standards are good. What’s not good is that Google controls the standards.
Open source or not, Google currently has the ability to dictate web standards as they see fit.
Why? There are 2 reasons:
- Chrome has a 63.55% marketshare (as of the time of this writing) of all web browser usage
- Maintaining your own fork of Chromium or even your own separate browser engine (Like Firefox does) is extremely difficult.
There’s a reason so many of these browsers just use Chromium. It’s because Google is doing the Lion’s share of the work. Modern web browsers are some of the most complicated pieces of software ever written. They are comparable in complexity to entire operating systems.
When Google makes a change to the Chromium project everyone follows suit, lest you fork it which leaves development and ensuring interoperability entirely up to you. The complexity of this task depends on how far you want to take your browser.
Even those who fork Chromium will pull changes made by Google to the original Chromium project because making and maintaining your own web browser is really, really difficult.
Well it is really easy. Read this hyperbolic statement:
Is having a government good for a country? Yes. Then why don’t you want an unelected elite control your country?
Sounds stupid right?
The people like standards. People don’t like when google can define standards alone. Especially when they have at least tried and most people hated the idea. Remember google topics? The thing that google advertised as more privacy protecting while just opening you up more track you even better by giving you more identifying features?
Lastly google is an advertisement company, trying to shape the web in their favor when most people will agree that the web became very privacy invading. Like come on and you ask why people don’t like that google, an advertisement company, has the ability to just force a new web standard in a world where advertisement companies are invading their privacy?
Well that’s the whole fun of 50 chromium forks, upstream which is chromium will fuck them up, they will make breaking changes just so that forks can finally not steer around it without putting heavy lifting in it.
Opera is spyware
Opera won’t save you
If it had to be a chromium browser, I guess I’d try Vivaldi. I’m happy with Librewolf and Firefox though.
Don’t use Opera. The current company behind it is evil.
@nudnyekscentryk @TiredNerdDad, the biggest problem of big commercial companies is the complete absence of scruples and ethics regarding the user.
They’ve abandoned Presto a long long time ago.
Who knew the Titan was just the beginning?
That would be either Firefox or LibreWolf then since all the others including Opera are Chromium based under the hood. Let’s support true Open Source.
