Some global users are turning to services like Proton Mail and UpScrolled instead.

Countries are growing uneasy about their dependence on U.S. technology firms.

  • Darkmoon_AU@lemmy.zipEnglish
    59·
    7 days ago

    I’m playing my part… Undoing a large part of a SaaS platform I’ve been building, to detangle it from AWS and reimplement for Scaleway/UpCloud. This is a significant practical setback for me, but I can no longer live with myself giving dollars to both Bezos AND a fascist regime every month. Not to mention the direct risk of the US fucking with my business down the track for any old batshit reason. Account closed.

  • eagerbargain3@lemmy.worldEnglish
    27·
    6 days ago

    I’m selfhosting most of my stuff now and did closed 500 accounts, still 960 to review. It take times but I always while closing enter a comment like “lost confidence in USA for the next 50 years thanks to Trump” BTW most services don’t let you delete your account, in this case I empty all my personal data, upload blank images for profile, anonymize field, move email to temp mailbox and delete my password.

    I did some architecture and implementation to Azure for a big client, now moved to pure AKS with only OSS software, nest step for them is to quit US cloud, a lot easier if you use pure kubernetes.

    I think it is good that we reduce our reliance on US stacks, but not at the cost of using Chinese softwares.

    Deleting Reddit, instagram, facebook was really the easiest and most satisfying of all.

    I plan to organize meetup on sovereignty, privacy and self hosting soon too 😇

        • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
          2·
          6 days ago

          My question is how does someone even know the number of accounts they have lmao

          Like, over the past 2+ decades I’ve been using the Internet, I can’t even give an estimate of how many accounts I have.

        • drath@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          This is… completely normal amount of accounts? I am at 1083 saved in my password manager. Admittedly it’s a bit inflated with things like crypto wallets and few dozen passwords for 192.168.1.1 for every router I ever saw. But then, I also been on account deletion spree for a year now and been avoiding making new accounts if at all possible, otherwise I’d easily be over 1500

      • eagerbargain3@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 days ago

        it is easy to have 1500+ passwords, I’m online since 1996 :-) and use a password manager like keepass, some sites died, others are still online, i have multiple mailbox, twitter, facebook. it goes up really fast!

        not counting also all SSO with google, apple, and now my own pocketid selfhosted domain :-)

        I will have to remove also those 50+ google authentificator TOTP and replace them with passkeys…

        BTW, it is recommended to use single password per service sinces more than 20 years now, so without a password manager it is impossible to create new accounts. i started in firefox, then chrome password manager, then keepassX …

      • JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        6·
        6 days ago

        I have over 200 logins overall, but most of them are to forums that have been dead for a decade.

        The internet used to be quite a different place back in the day, people had separated communities and everything wasn’t just on a handful of massive platforms.

    • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      6 days ago

      I’d always get paranoid that they’d revert the changing your details like reddit did when they undeleted mass-deleted comments before.

    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      6 days ago

      As someone who is inside the IT industry, and has been for a while, I have some insight here. Yes, it’s stupidity alright, but a weird focused kind of stupidity like having a blind-spot. Money and ethics, IMO, are the only divisions that explain it.

      We like to think of tech as being this rebellious, counter-cultural place. And that tracks when you start talking about “information wants to be free” and “the internet circumvents censorship”, but also “market disruption” and “move fast and break things.” But there’s this problem where that rebellion is actually multiple groups moving in a similar direction. If you look at the decisions people make, there’s a clear tradeoff of ethics in line with freedom and liberty, for cold, hard cash. The people we’re talking about went for the money. It took me a long time to reconcile this, and I’m now comfortable concluding that the rebellious spirit here is less “damn the man” and more “fuck you, got mine.” Nevermind that it’s not sustainable and always ends in a death-spiral of everything they built.

      To put it another way, technohippies and conservatives agree about the broad strokes of personal liberty and rebelliousness right up until things like empathy all others get involved. Once you surrender those kinds of ethics, or figure out that having few/none is seen as an asset, bigger paychecks are on offer; its too good to pass up for some folks. It should come as no surprise that aligning one’s self with authoritarianism and even fascism is a small step from there.

      And my personal experience - take with salt - there’s also a lot of people in security that are just VERY pessimistic, if not outright fearful, of their fellow man. A lot of them vote to the right, despite depending on an industry mostly fueled by left-thinking labor. They’re highly skilled, competent, and intelligent people in every other way. Once again, I think the fat paycheck smooths a lot of this over.

  • lechekaflan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    33·
    7 days ago

    Obviously because once that country collapses or becomes a pariah state and starts fooling with the data for nefarious purposes, all goes almost anything the rest of the world relies on, including website hosting services. So, yeah, decentralization is necessary.

    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      11·
      7 days ago

      He only cares about himself and the money he got from them. The better question is why all those tech billionaires supported him.

      • IronBird@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        6 days ago

        because once you’ve reached end-state capitalism, the only realistic way to make sure line continues to go up is either ratfucking public funds or to trigger a crash/credit crunch (enabling you to buy up discounted distressed assets)

      • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        Because he won’t say no to them.

        The group of toolbags parked behind trump at his inauguration all have one thing in common: they live so far up their own arses the concept of “no”, “no one wants this” and “you cannot do this” is so foreign to their fantasies it feels like offense.

        Complete sociopathy

    • Decq@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      6 days ago

      Don’t forget to thank the majority of US voters too. Couldn’t have done it without them.

  • canofcam@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    6 days ago

    As a QA, I raised the very real risk that should tensions with America escalate, they could effectively cut us off and our business would be kaputt.

    What happens if AWS goes down? We use Google. What happens if both go down (or cut us off)? We’re fucked.

    The answer to me raising the risk was a, “Haha, yeah, true, we’d be in big trouble…” but there’s no actual appetite to do anything about it. We’re so tied up in AWS that I can’t imagine there ever will be.

    • kaljakoripallomaha@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      3·
      6 days ago

      That’s the thing, we’re all so tightly involved in those few platforms it’s near impossible to correct the situation in the short term.

      In our company we’re also documenting the risks related to US services and it’s pretty bleak. And even if we magically untangled ourselves from all that, we’d still be screwed when all the suppliers, the local infrastructure and literally everything is still on top of those. Honestly I’m not even sure if we’d get through the doors or have electricity in the whole cities we operate in if all went out at once.

      The best we can do in short term is to not make it worse and choose wiser with new projects, migrate everything that can be done cheaply and hope for the best until we can get everything lifted off US governed services. Even with the risk recognised, it still doesn’t warrant that magnitude of investment. So we at least plan and document everything as well as we can.

    • JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      2·
      6 days ago

      You’d think the few global AWS and Cloudflare outages would have worked as a warning, but most people just went from “nah it couldn’t ever happen” to “well, it did happen, but surely it wouldn’t ever last all too long”.

  • bestelbus22@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    6 days ago

    It’s all so unnecessary. But at least we finally do something about digital sovereignty in the EU.

  • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    6 days ago

    Ramp it up!

    The worst crime you can commit under capitalism is not participating, not buying, not renting, etc. These tech companies are built on debt that is serviced by profits.

    Moving the needle down and impacting their income by even 5% will have a huge impact on a business’s bottom line and in turn a CEO’s income, bonuses and stock options etc.

    If you want to make Trump and his regime change then you have to hit the only people he will listen to… his fellow oligarchs.

  • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    6 days ago

    I’d say that individual companies need to make contingency plans for when the US puts up their own great firewall (assuming they haven’t already, since I’m in the US).

    I think it would be prudent for nations that have Google/Amazon/Microsoft datacenters in them to create legislation that allows them to nationalize or detach those services from the US. I have no doubt that we will eventually have our own policy that gives us the privilege to snoop on foreign data in foreign datacenters that are running US owned hardware.

    • zbyte64@awful.systemsEnglish
      4·
      6 days ago

      For this to be practical you need to audit and control the code the runs in the data center. I think that was a hangup with some Chinese based services that offered to host in the EU.

  • arc99@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    6 days ago

    Not everywhere can wean itself off, but the “big three” cloud compute companies arent the only shows in town. And of course there is a multitude of free and open source replacements for commercial software with companies willing to provide support.

  • AlexLost@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    6 days ago

    They had already gone off the deep end. They’ve been enshittifying everything they can get their hands on and monetizing the slightest edge they can to everything as well. Tech bros are just the pharma bro multiplied. People that bring no value to the world make things that they have no knowledge about or input on behind pay walls because they can. It’s for the shareholders brah! Rid the world of nepo CEOs and we’ll all be in a better place. Also “economics” belongs with the other junk science like chiropractors. Some of them are great and some of the science is needed. Most of it is just junk that only makes sense to them and their schemes.

    • Sunflier@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      6 days ago

      Oh Blockbuster, who art in heaven

      Hallowed be thy memory

      Thy storefront come

      Thy movies return

      On Earth as it is in Heaven

      Give us this day our daily movie rentals

      And forgive us our shortsightedness

      As we forgive those who exploit us for money

      And lead us not into micro-transactions

      But deliver us from enshittification

      For thine is the Weekend

      The Power and the Vibes

      Forever and ever

      Amen

    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      3·
      6 days ago

      to be honest, it might have a significant impact. the US tech today serves a global market, but if that market gets reduced to just the US, that is probably a significant cut.