ITT being morally superior punching down on vegans complaining that they act morally superior and punch down. All done under a photo of someone elbow deep in cow.

Vegans certainly talk about masturbating and forcibly imprgnating animals more than anyone else

Life eats life. I’m not going to try to convince a lion to not eat a gazelle, and I’m not going to try and convince a human not to eat the thing its been hunting and eating for 10 thousand years.

I agree that factory farming is terrible. If we are going to eat an animal, its best if we raise it and kill it ourself in the quickest and most painless way possible, to ensure happiness and health during its life and mitigate as much suffering. It also forces us to face the act of death itself, and hopefully be grateful of the animal for the meals it provides.

All things die. As someone who went through “dying”, I can say with some confidence that dying sucks, and you will suffer when you go through it. Whether its being shot, stabbed, strangled, poisoned, or dying of the complications of old age. You are going to suffer unless you’re doped to high heaven on morphine or something similar.

Are vegans going about using opioids to euthanize factory farmed cows in mass? No? Then I guess they’re going to suffer, and I’m not letting them suffer in vain.

THAT would be unethical.

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I tried it for 8 years and my body started to fall to pieces in rather remarkable ways

I came across a vidya on the interwebs many hears ago where a monkey grabbed a frog and used it as a fleshlight… Ever since then Ive had a different relationship with the word “unnatural”. The truth is that shoving your arm up a cows ass and eating vegan fervantly and being a hater ass bitch are all perfect examples of natural human behaviour…and im well past thinking theyre not.

You know, i used to have more heated discussions about this, but now i feel like I matured a different view on this, at all. I conceive the freedom to chose on a personal ethical base above the idea of punching down ideas just because. Ideally, being vegan is just that, being vegan. You can be whatever… It’s not mandatory to be either.

I eventually found out that any amount of rage or hate for that was only projection of my special insecurities.

If vegans really cared about these things more than keeping the moral high ground, they’d be focusing on practical solutions like making lab-grown meat and plant-based substitutes so tasty and affordable that corporations are the ones that start pushing for them, so they can’t stop spending on costly cattle.

My take on the veganism I’ve come to know personally is that vegans think they put themselves in the place of animals, but what I see is they put the animals in their own place. In this case, they think that consent should be placed in the animal realm because they believe it for themselves.

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Well you can see cows as animals and as such living beings with rights (legally they don’t have those), or you can see them as objects used for food production.

And if there’s money involved you are using the objects to make money.

Veganism is such an elite issue like some people will fight everything except billionaires and the rich.

Veganism cant be and shouldnt be promoted especially in global south where children are still malnourished. Veganism also leads to dehumanization of certain cultures.

Colon cancer, motherfuckers!

I personally think we should close the loopholes in bestiality laws used by farmers.

Interesting that someone could look at a normal (albeit unpleasant) veterinary procedure and immediately think of beasiality.

Vegan milks are nice to drink, but they are very very different to real milk. Having tea with oat milk is a sacrifice (almond and coconut are worse for tea - they lack the sweetness that counteracts the bitter elements of tea), it doesn’t taste as good but it’s ok. It’s a small sacrifice to make, but a persistent one (given that many of us rely on caffeine to function at work).

There is a moral argument to be made, and the moral argument has the high ground if you avoid looking too carefully (nothing in life is simple).

The real crux of the vegan argument is “can people also sacrifice this”, or is it one sacrifice too many in the world of compromises we endure. That’s a personal choice, and given the state of the world today, it isn’t one many will be able to make.