The worst and most stupid bit is this:
Speaking to crowds on Wednesday, vice president JD Vance said US allies are “suffering from this, frankly, more than we are.”
He claimed this was because they had “focused on a lot of green energy scams and they’re hurting a lot more than we are.”
Vance continued:"As much as we’ve got to focus on getting these gas prices down, the reality is overseas they’re feeling it far worse than we did because we’ve taken the steps to protect our energy economy.
In Spain, for example, electricity prices remain low thanks to renewable energy. This guy is stupid.
He is not stupid. He is deliberately deceiving his voters.
Why not both?
“We created an unnecessary serious problem, but it causes more grief for you than for us! So why don’t you come help us fix it (at our direction of course).”
Gee, can’t guess why that might get some allies p.o.'d…
Not mention they didn’t even tell them they were going to do it before they did it. Why should allies trust Trump’s America when they stabbed them in the back at every turn?
Yup because that’s the bar we want set.
Other countries suffer more than us. Great job /s
The US has allies??
Supposedly it has Israel, but they haven’t offered to send any help. Seems like that relationship just goes one way.
Not after this we won’t.
US does not have allies. US & Osreal created the Iran war, US can clean up the mess.
trump has, which is mostly PUTIN AND MSB.
UK - petrol prices are rising.
Electricity prices are falling because most of our energy is from renewables and british/european gas.
Sucks for me because my car is a petrol one. My wife’s is electric and it costs about £4 for her to charge up overnight and that gets her about 250-280 miles of range (£0.01 per mile).
My car costs £55 to fill up for 400 miles per range (£0.13 per mile).
Although my car is cheaper
Edit - changed currency symbol…realise 0.01p isnt the same as 1p…
You should be ok with the fact that you need a car to live. You shouldn’t live where this is the case.
If 15 minute cities ever become a reality and i can walk to work/the shops/doctors/pub etc then I’ll glady give up the car.
That isn’t the case and I’d rather not move house thanks
They are already reality all over the world and even all over the UK. We don’t call them 15 minute cities, we call them cities.
What car does she have? Mines costing about 2p/mile in summer and a whopping 2.9p/mile in winter
A mini.
I might have the sums wrong, but we are on the octopus EV tariff so electricity is dirt cheap overnight.
Also 0.01p is 1p. Should have put the pound sign instead lol
But yeah, its insane how cheap it is.
The only kicker is her car costs £100 a month in payments more than mine.
It’s interesting seeing how mine, ionic 5, compares to others in real life. Only reason I got mine was is was one of the few cars somebody could sit behind me, with seat front seat Ben comfortable for driving.
I’ve got the first service 40k miles soon, compared to my wife’s at 10-12k, but realistically 6k for the oil, stupid HDi diesel engine
She has the Aceman that is 5-door so I think you can sort of fit people in the back seat but it isnt comfortable for tall people. No boot space at all though.
But it is very fun to drive!
I kind of suspect this is the entire point of this conflict. The US is not immune to global oil supply disruptions, but we are a net exporter now, while China relies very heavily on foreign imports. I would not be at all surprised if this was a way to put the hurt on China and the rest of the world, while blaming Iran for it. Of course Epstein distraction too, but not only that.
China will not be impacted that much as you think. China is much more oil independent than before. Unlike the US, China invests heavily in green energy and nuclear energy. The only country that is behind in all of this, it’s the US.
Actually yeah I was just talking about this in a different post. Renewables are indeed big now and China is a leader.
BUT there is one catch with this. Liquid petroleum has never actually been that big a part of electricity generation. So all of China’s renewables, great as they are, are primarily reducing their usage of coal (which they have domestically in abundance).
Natural gas is also used for electricity, and they may have had to import that before.
But no matter how energy independent they get, it doesn’t free them from oil, which is still incredibly important for plastics and fertilizers.
A China that can’t manufacture cheap plastic crap is a China brought to its knees. A China that can’t feed its people is a China in revolution.
Stupid fucking prick
What’s worse is that people actually believe him.
he did reaped the popes soul.
What’s even worse is that they think that it’s a good argument by him.
Eh, I don’t know… These MAGA’s are more monsters than people at this stage.
He’s not stupid, his voting base is.
This. He knows he is wrong here. He just doesn’t care.
That’s a bit too polite for me
Ironically investing in renewable energy and EVs is how Europe can increase its energy independence. It’s not like they can pump that oil from their ground.
I imagine this war will speed up this conversion even more.
This is what I’ve been saying as well. For ages now. However I was listening to pre election political debate with parties on TV and everybody just kept talking about oil, oil and oil. Nobody even mentioned alternatives or anything else at all. And we even have a prime minister coming straight from electric energy distributor. So I’m not putting too much fate here.
This is very good video to send to anyone who fell for it https://youtu.be/KtQ9nt2ZeGM
It addresses pretty much every argument thrown.
One of the biggest advantages to EVs is that they can can get their power from anywhere. And even if the current power generation is from fossil fuels, as that changes so does the overall carbon “usage” of the vehicles.
The difference is also striking when you just look at energy conversion from the fuel source in the vehicle. That EV is around 85% efficient overall at turning that electricity from the wall to movement. For a gas car, you’re looking at between 12-30% of the energy in the fuel tank being converted.
Exactly this. Thanks for mentioning it, i was listing it for exactly that reason, but I guess most people probably still think the only benefit is being environment friendly when it is also let to energy independence.
This is great video explaining common misconceptions: https://youtu.be/KtQ9nt2ZeGM
The main difference is that a modern battery has an energy density of about 0.7 MJ/kg or 700 kJ/kg, whereas gasoline has an energy density of about 45.7 MJ/kg. So, you need to pack in a lot more batteries to allow an electric car to go a meaningful distance. And, you’re hauling around all that extra weight all the time, even when the batteries are nearly empty.
The weight of the fuel tank is dwarfed by the weight of the engine, which can go from 100 (petrol kei car) to 300 (diesel) kg. The battery packs on modern EVs are still heavier, usually in the 200 - 400 kg range, but the difference isn’t as stark as fuel density alone might suggest.
Apparently an average fuel tank can hold somewhere between 40 and 80 litres. So, that’s up to (0.75 * 80 = 60) 60 kg of fuel, which can supply 2.74 GJ of energy. If you wanted 2.74 GJ of batteries in your car, it would weigh about 4000 kg. That’s double the weight of an F150, or basically the weight of a F350, engine, fuel tank, wheels, etc. included.
Now, of course, nobody puts that much battery capacity into a car or truck.
The point is, it’s not an apples to oranges comparison when you talk about the energy efficiency of an EV vs. a ICE car. ICE cars are inefficient, but carry around a very energy dense fuel source and can go hundreds, sometimes thousands of km without needing to stop. EVs have much more efficient engines, but have to drag around really heavy batteries that aren’t very energy dense. Their range is very constrained because if you wanted to match the range of an ICE car you’d have to almost double the weight of the car in batteries alone.
Personally, I like mass transit and bikes. But, if I had to own a car I’d get an electric one. Still, I know that the major drawback to electric cars is that battery energy density sucks compared to gasoline.
The point is, it’s not an apples to oranges comparison when you talk about the energy efficiency of an EV vs. a ICE car.
Energy efficiency does matter because even if you are burning diesel to generate electricity, you can make power stations a lot more efficient than car engines. So shifting from ICE cars to EVs would reduce fuel use even in the absence of green electricity.
ICE cars are inefficient, but carry around a very energy dense fuel source and can go hundreds, sometimes thousands of km without needing to stop. EVs have much more efficient engines, but have to drag around really heavy batteries that aren’t very energy dense.
This is true, but like I said, the difference isn’t huge. An ICE car’s fuel + engine would be in the 100 - 400kg range, while an EV’s batteries + motor would be in the 200 - 500kg range. An additional 10% or so of weight is bad, but is outweighed by the at least fourfold increase in efficiency.
60 kg of fuel, which can supply 2.74 GJ of energy
‘Contain’, not ‘can supply’ 2.74 GJ of energy. At 20% efficiency, you’d need a 800kg battery to match.
It’s not ironic at all.
I was referring to what he said. He said that Europe has those problems because it prioritized renewable energy and EVs instead (what he implied) pumping oil (or that snake actually meant Europe getting its security by purchasing oil from Russia, which is the complete opposite of security)
I’m pretty sure he thinks allies of the US are beta males that follow the US alpha male…
Stupid toxic masculinity and their constant attempts to cover up their weakness and insecurities by pretending they are ‘real men’. And ‘real men’ don’t have empathy. So they behave like self serving pricks.
Why do people vote baby brained bullies into positions of power?
I’m pretty sure he thinks allies of the US are beta males that follow the US alpha male…
Vance said Trump was “America’s Hitler”. Before Vance realized that he could get power by supporting Trump.
You seem to be using “he thinks” in the sense “Vance genuinely believes”. I am not convinced Vance believes anything, his actions look like pure opportunism.
Before
VancePeter Theil realized that he could get power by [making Vance] supportingTrump.No conservatives believe anything. They say and do whatever helps them in that moment and in the next moment they’ll say and do the opposite as long as it helps them. They’re animalistic, idiots who only react to things. There’s no long term thinking, there’s no layered thinking it’s just “you think this is bad, so I’m going to say it’s good”
It’s really true.
The fact that Vance actually said that shows just how shitty of a person he is. If he recognizes the kind of person Trump is and still tries to use him to get into a position of power is scummy af.
I cannot even begin to parse how he thought any of those words were a good idea, let alone in that order.
This is genuinely one of the dumbest things I have ever heard a human being say. Not only is it ludicrously, hilariously wrong, but even if it wasn’t, why would that be a good thing? Why would you want to proudly declare how much you fucked over your allies?! Does he know what the word “ally” means? Do any of them know?
Because punching down is the American ethos. On a macro and a micro level.
Who is his target audience with this speech and why would this impress them?
why would this be good
and why would green energy lead to this result
Why are they allies when spoken to and treated like this?
To him they are not allies his allies are on the Bored of Peace.
This is a great question that I’m kinda raging about.
I’m Australian. Our fuel prices have increased by almost 50%. Inflation for this year is projected to be 5%.
This is a ridiculous, unnecessary war, serving the interests of a despot we have had no business in supporting.
I imagine that our Prime Minister would say, we were USA allies for 100 years before Trump, and will be for 100 years after he’s gone. It’s true that our alliance runs deep. The current AUKUS agreement concerns building submarines in partnership over several decades.
However, I’m peeved that our Prime Minister is tip toeing around avoiding saying anything mean about the pedo in chief. Trump has thrown us all under the bus for his own reasons, and absolutely deserves to be called out.
When Iran is more likely to keep its word than America, it is very frustrating to see our government keep pretending we are allies and that all is well.
Thanks for sharing your point of view. What a mess! But that’s a good point about the history of nations, others also mentioning similar sentiments.
Believe it or not there was a time before Trump.
And some day not too long from now, there will be a time after Trump. He has an insane amount of health conditions, and he’s the least popular president in living memory right now.
The question is if that will actually make a difference for the allies. They have shown how unstable they are, and that they are one bad president away from causing chaos for the whole fucking world. I’d hope there will have to be fundamental changes before that sentiment changes.
Biden dropped a ball by appointing Merrick Garland to not look like he is weaponizing DOJ (and MAGA still said he did). Had he appointed someone who had teeth trump right now would be in prison.
Sure, but Trump isn’t the problem. It’s the 30 or so percent of your country that creates Trumps and the other 70% too cowardly to throw a punch.
FTFY:
Why are they still allies when spoken to and treated like this?
Fear.
Ey, go ally yourself, pal, arite?
They’re US allies, and they know Trump is an old, increasingly demented man sinking his entire political party.
America has few allies, if any. It’s more mutually agreed belligerent détentes…
For anyone who doesn’t know, the US is the largest oil producer in the world, more than double any other country. So that’s the reason prices aren’t going up as much as they may be elsewhere, but also what that means is that when we attack Iran us oil company stocks skyrocket. People pay more, billionaires reap, hedge funds reap, the military industrial complex reaps. War as a service.
Didn’t know WaaS was a thing. This timeline is just asS.
Oil prices are pretty global. If you look at the prices for European oil (Brent crude) and US oil (West Texas Intermediate), then they are $14 apart. Which is not nothing, but WTI is still up by 63% from pre-war. That is still going to hurt the US economy, a lot.
Also, in the US the oil price windfall is privatized, while the oil price pain is socialized. So the US will still feel almost the full pain.
There is some fuckery in US price. Asia is $60/bbl higher. Rumors of US export controls seemed contradicted by WH on Friday, and somehow prices went down in US by $1. Possibility of US treasury heavily shorting US futures (in secret or with secret financial allies) to manipulate price. With no export controls, US price should be $4 lower than Brent, and $8-$10 lower than Asia.
Asia is $60/bbl higher.
Asia get their oil through the Hormuz straight. Of course their oil price is higher.
There probably isn’t oil tankers enough in the world to equalize the supply between the US and Asia. Hence you should not expect the price to be perfectly equalized between the US and Asia.
when I said that $10 is a normal limit for Asia premium, it is based on the shipping cost ($10) to get WTI to Asia. Brent crude premium is also high. That there may not be enough shipping capacity to pick up from US, while theoretically possible, the spread is so incredibly profitable that it shouldn’t be $50 higher than normal profit, without every ship in the world lined up to make that profit.
You surely need a lot of oil tankers to sail oil across the Pacific Ocean - because each voyage takes so long. And there needs to be export oil terminals in the US towards Asia, which I assume there isn’t currently, because Asia was supplied by the Middle East.
So a priory doesn’t seem too surprising to me, that there is a price spread.
You surely need a lot of oil tankers to sail oil across the Pacific Ocean - because each voyage takes so long.
That is why the fair premium used to be $8 for asia (now $10) vs $4 for Europe. The entirety of the premium is to pay the shipping from one spot to the other.
And there needs to be export oil terminals in the US towards Asia
Everything is in TX and LA. There is not special Asian only valves or anything for shipping, and US has sold plenty of oil and LNG to Asia before.
Let’s not forget all the Venezuelan oil that the execs said was to expensive to drill, higher price might just make it lucrative.
We have tons of untapped oil fields easier to drill in the US that oil companies are sitting on, and we already get something like 1/3 of Venezuelan oil as is
But we still need the oil from the middle east, we mix our heavier oil with theirs in the refining process. We’re draining our reserves to keep the price low domestically, that and the statements that the strait will be reopened imminently is keeping the price relatively low… For now. Our economy is all speculation after all.
We have tons of untapped oil fields
But that is likely irrelevant for the timescale of this conflict, right? Surely the lead time for bringing new oil fields online is measured in years.
Nah, like a couple weeks. They ship in a team along with the equipment and then they go to town
Something like deep water rigs can take years to build, but actually tapping a well is pretty quick. But then you can’t just seal it back up - or at least humanity has never bothered to learn how to do so. So companies will sit on them for years to keep production steady, if the cost of oil falls they might move it to a sacrificial shell company and leave it leaking for tax payers to eventually clean up
However, for the corporations that have to use oil instead of sell it, profits get eaten up by oil price rises. So this isn’t a simple benefit for billionaires. Some of them must be absolutely furious at Trump right now.
